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Obamacare - health care rant

This is the way I see this thing about health care. Am I wrong?

The very rich and (many of the very poor who have never worked a day in their lives) don’t have to worry one bit about having health care.

I’m one of the lucky ones, because my job provides health insurance for everything, including dentist and prescriptions. Everything is possible. I could someday lose my job and become deathly ill. Then what am I to do? Die?

I have friends and family who lucky, too, but I also have friends and family who work, work, work, and DO NOT have health insurance because their job doesn’t provide it, and they just CAN NOT afford it.

I also have a few family members who have never worked a day in their lives, and have not only health care, but dental care, AND dieticians at their disposal! I’ve heard some of these people against Obamacare. Why? Because then they will HAVE to buy health insurance, instead of getting it FREE as they ALWAYS have. As for the rich, I still can’t figure out why they’re so dead set against Obamacare.

It’s the quickly dwindling working upper and lower middle class who is screwed when it comes to having insurance for themselves and their family.


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Jun. 28th, 2012 06:30 pm (UTC)
Most people that are against the new insurance proposal already have insurance and are fearful it will impact their own insurance.

We already have and have always had complete medical care for people that can not get health insurance. My hairdresser (a guy) and his wife both have their own shop. They have never had insurance. Ever. If anything happens to them or their child, all of it is covered by the government. It's always been that way. They don't see a doctor, but go to the hospital which by law can not refuse treatment. The public picks up the tab.

I really don't see any major changes. It's just a continuation of what has always been.
Jun. 29th, 2012 02:43 am (UTC)
Just wait until your taxes go up ... that is one place you will see change quickly.

Plus my state has said that taxpayers, not the state, will have to pay the pensions of teachers. That means more tax for everyone.

Jun. 29th, 2012 06:35 pm (UTC)
pay the pensions of teachers
Probably because Wall Street destroyed their pension funds [and a lot more besides] and now those legal contracts must be honored. Oh well...

Jun. 29th, 2012 10:12 pm (UTC)
Re: pay the pensions of teachers
No, the state of IL is broke, has been broke for years. The state has never done well with management of money. School districts are not receiving state funding when due; they are lucky to get anything. School funding has been cut. Some school are being closed. It is a mess in this state.
Jun. 29th, 2012 02:53 am (UTC)
As you said, the public picks up their tab. We the public have to pay for their tab through outrageously high premiums each month.

I don’t understand why a person must become so ill that he has to finally go to a hospital to get medical help. A person who owns a home, and has a little savings for their old age, will not be seen by a doctor unless he pays first. The sign at the reception desk says it loud and clear.

Honestly, this is all so confusing to me. All I want is for all Americans to have access to health care. Not just the very poor who have Medicaid and the very rich who get the very best health care CASH can provide. We the struggling middle working class deserves to have health care, too.
Jun. 29th, 2012 04:35 am (UTC)
"We, the struggling middle class" has been dwindling greatly for the last two decades. Since the Bush presidencies, (all 3 of them), we are disappearing faster than ever. I hoped and trusted Obama and supported him during his first campaign. I have heard many older people say they voted for him and believed him but they won't vote for him again.

Obama said he wouldn't raise our taxes. Perhaps he did not. But he did do something worse. He froze the Federal checks of Medicare, VA checks, Civil Service death annuity checks and that cost me thousands in lost income. If he is elected again, he has nothing to lose by freezing them for the next 3 years. I have no faith left in him that he cares about us.

And as for people getting medical care or help: the 43 year old who mows my lawn could not get any help for back surgery last year. He was drawing $93 weekly and welfare said he earned too much money. No Link card (food stamps). No Medicaid. No monetary check. He has to make small monthly payments to the hospital and doctors for his back surgery. No obamacare for him :/ And he will be penalized/taxed for not taking obamacare? What is he supposed to use for money. And forgive me, but the illegals who are here and are still coming are given what native born Americans can not "qualify" for ... such as the guy I just mentioned. And deportations are going to cease. Obama plans to legalize 800,000 illegals. He will surely get their vote for all he gives them at our expense. And with this step, this is no longer the USA; it is Mexican America. Obama has given the US away and I am angry.

I have no problem with any ethnicity which comes here legally. But I do not think illegal entry into the US -- which is a felony -- should be rewarded in any way, shape or form. The most I would concede is that if an illegal wants to remain in the US, let him or her do a 4 or 6 year tour of duty in the US military. When that is completed, let them become citizens and perhaps their immediate family only. That would be honorable.

There is a developing rift between Mexicans who came here legally and those who crossed the border illegally. People in my area are saying that between the illegals being allowed to stay and if obamacare passed, that down the road civil war is a possibility. I am withholding my thoughts on the matter.
Jun. 29th, 2012 04:41 am (UTC)
The people who are using the ERs as doctor's offices and clinics are mostly on welfare. Many doctors here do not take Medicaid and no law can force them to accept it.

Yes, co-pays are due at the time of the visit to the doctor. Otherwise the doctor is left holding the bag and never collects.

I want Americans -- not illegals to have access to health care, too. But I am not interested in paying for it through higher taxes and other shenanigans. Two years ago there were articles on msnbc.com about the states begging for Federal aid for the illegals who had depleted their resources. Obama said NO to the states.

This will interest you: http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/28/12464332-health-care-ruling-could-leave-poorest-americans-at-greatest-risk?lite

Edited at 2012-06-29 05:24 am (UTC)
Jun. 28th, 2012 07:31 pm (UTC)

I personally am happy about it, especially since I can now be under my parents until 26. I wish we were like Canada. How can you refuse someone aid??? My aunt was refused treatment for chemotherapy when she had cancer and could not afford the treatment..fucked up

Jun. 29th, 2012 03:02 am (UTC)
I'm so glad you now have insurance through your parents plan!

Perhaps now, with this Obamacare, your aunt can now get her much needed cancer treatments. She also deserves a chance to live!
Jun. 29th, 2012 03:07 am (UTC)
She died a couple years ago but yes for sure. its great for people.
Jun. 28th, 2012 09:04 pm (UTC)
Oh, I can't wait to see what case law develops from this. Government forcing people into private contracts? This is going to be fun.
Jun. 29th, 2012 03:05 am (UTC)
Hey Sweet Pie! I'm sure it will all prove to be good for all of us.
Jun. 29th, 2012 06:32 pm (UTC)
Roberts voted for Corporate Interests in "Citizens United'. And did so again yesterday. Not a big surprise really.

Jun. 29th, 2012 02:39 am (UTC)
The only thing I will say without getting more angry than I already am is that passing this damn obamacare has deeply divided the nation once again, adding to what W and Cheney did.

Along the same lines,
I know of 3 people on welfare who are breathing sighs of relief to be there, and rubbing it in to others of us who are paying our way. I have a problem when welfare becomes a "way of life" (which it has with these people). They are no longer on my LJ. I don't like hearing day in and out about their "freebies" such as energy assistance and that they need more :/ None were thinking about job hunting once they became welfare recipients :(

Edited at 2012-06-29 03:04 am (UTC)
Jun. 29th, 2012 03:31 am (UTC)
Perhaps now with Obamacare, a family member’s monthly premiums of $900.00, which covers 80% of medical bills, will be lowered greatly. I really hope and pray that Obamacare works, because so many families that have lost their jobs and have zero health care now.

I really don't understand all of this 'J'. Since I have so much faith in President Obama, I hope it works for so many peoples sake,.

As for those I see around me who are young and healthier than a horse, and have better vehicles than my own, and living totally free off the system, leaves me more and more weary by the day because I have to work so many more hours per day than ever before to make ends meet.

I'm not talking about the elderly, the handicap or the very ill.

I'll have to make a future rant about what I see at the grocery store.
Jun. 29th, 2012 04:46 am (UTC)
I have no problem with the truly disabled, handicapped or very ill. I fall into all 3 of those categories but have good insurance which I am paying for. I also have a handicap parking card I hang on my mirror.

This obamacare is the beginning of the end of Medicare, I believe. Unless something is done, it will be used to phase out Medicare.

Obama scares me.

Your Herman Cain userpic ... arrogant cocky know-it-all was caught up in his own folly.

Edited at 2012-06-29 06:57 am (UTC)
Jun. 29th, 2012 07:08 pm (UTC)
All members who opposed it were Republicans. Once again proves that we have 2 kinds of Republicans. The very rich and the very stupid !
Jun. 29th, 2012 08:21 pm (UTC)
Basically it will raise the taxes of people who have jobs that pay well enough to have insurance. Obamacare has shifted the burden of paying for those with out insurance from the health care providers to the middle class. Which is why health care and insurance companies were all for Obamacare. Real reforms in cost of medicince, tort reform, etc were not touched.
Jun. 30th, 2012 05:35 pm (UTC)
Its an oversimplification.

Here are the questions to ask every working family you know;

1) Do you still have the health insurance you did two years ago?

2) Is it cheaper then it was two years ago?

3) Do you think its better?

4) How many times did you say no?

Yeah, I really appreciate having my options shit on by the federal government. Those that have money opt out for botique care we have too many kids to even consider that.
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