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Marijuana - U.S. Selling Soul to Devil?

Legalizing Marijuana is the dumbest thing this country could ever do, and what I find most amazing of all is, that it has been proposed to gain money through high taxation on this deadly poison. Speak about selling your soul to the devil!

We already have to deal with those who continue putting our lives in danger by drinking (alcohol) and driving, and 2nd hand (tobacco) smoking. Why in the world would a 3rd, (marijuana - the most evil of all) be forced into our lives?

People who are addicted to marijuana eventually find they aren’t getting their HIGHS on the stuff anymore, and graduate to cocaine, heroine, and other dangerous drugs.

Too many lives have been destroyed because of drugs, and marijuana is a DRUG!


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Mar. 26th, 2010 08:01 pm (UTC)
I have to totally disagree with you. I think legalization is the best bet for the future, but not as a method of collecting additional tax revenues, but as a recognition that people in our society use these substances, just as they always have. Making the possession and distribution illegal requires that these processes become criminal activities, just as making alcohol illegal in the 1920s caused a surge in the trafficking of alcohol and associated crime.
Mar. 28th, 2010 03:07 am (UTC)
The majority here feel as you do.

I still feel that marijuana is a drug that should never be legalized in this country.
(no subject) - sputnik - Mar. 28th, 2010 03:35 am (UTC) - Expand
Mar. 26th, 2010 08:02 pm (UTC)
we can agree to disagree, yes?
I agree about driving while under the influence of any drug, but I think it is an extreme reaction to call marijuana "evil".

Mar. 28th, 2010 12:24 am (UTC)
Re: we can agree to disagree, yes?
we can agree to disagree, yes?
Absolutely! This is the place for you, me and everyone else to express our exact feelings! :o)

A cousin O.D.ed on drugs. He started on marijuana, and eventually went to haroine.

When I see the devestation on his parents faces, I can't help but feel that marijuana was the doorway to hell, and it will always represent evil to me.
Mar. 26th, 2010 08:08 pm (UTC)
Any chemical that you put in your body is a drug. The question is whether it's dangerous.

Marijuana has been used for thousands of years, and though, yes, smoking isn't good for your lungs, the chemicals in marijuana aren't deadly, or even particularly dangerous.

As for the "gateway" aspect of going on to other drugs, that's wrong. There's no inherent property of the chemicals in marijuana that create a desire for other drugs, just like drinking coffee doesn't make a person somehow decide that they want to try marijuana or coke. However, if you hang out with people that drink coffee, and they all smoke pot, then maybe you'll want to try some, and maybe you'll like it. THIS is the Gateway problem. Marijuana is illegal, and the people that you get it from are drug dealers who are much more likely to be involved with other (much much more dangerous) drugs. This is how you might escalate drugs; by the fact that you are forced into bad crowds if you want to get your marijuana.

Legalize it.

Apr. 2nd, 2010 03:44 am (UTC)
the lungs...
I believe people have different reaction to drugs and alcohol. I have never tried marijuana, but I do enjoy drinking Margaritas when being social, and know that two is my limit. There are some who always go beyond their limit and eventually become so obnoxious that a kick in the butt didn't cross mind. I believe there are some who never know when to quit smoking pot, and eventually become obnoxious, or worse yet.

I feel that smoking cigarettes, and marijuana cause serious damage to the lungs.

I realize I'm rambling here, but all in all, I am seriously afraid of marijuana becoming legal for fun and kicks. If a person needs the stuff because of some illness, then I fully agree he gets it, BUT only by prescription.

I believe this is the first time I've ever disagreed with you, but I appreciate you taking the time to share your views on this topic with me.
Mar. 26th, 2010 08:12 pm (UTC)
I disagree. Legalize it and tax it. Alcohol is the real gateway drug.
Mar. 28th, 2010 12:25 am (UTC)
I still say no to legalizing it.

Thank you for expressing your feelings!
Mar. 26th, 2010 08:20 pm (UTC)
Well, they're going to do it anyway. It's already illegal and still there is a large fraction of the US that smoke. Hell, just about every computer programer I know smokes and I know a lot of them living in Seattle. Prohibition just causes organized crime and a drain on law enforcement trying to stop it. The net gain of such on society is usually negative. It was with prohibition that the general decline of respect for law enforcement happened. Once everybody was going to speakeasys, they were all doing illegal things, and thus saw less importance and respect for the law.

Gateway drug stuff is pretty much bunk. Drugs have certain effects and different people like different effects. People do not jump from one to another by default or as a path. That it is illegal just makes it more likely that they'll try other illegal drugs is about the only arguement.

Deadly poison it is not. It might be habit forming but is not physically addictive. There is pretty much no LD50 for it (that wouldn't kill you from suffocation first).

Personally, I don't like it nor do I like "stoners" but I think that has more to do with the type of people who will sit around and smoke pot all day rather than people that use it.
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(no subject) - stevie_stever - Mar. 26th, 2010 08:51 pm (UTC) - Expand
thank you marc... - playgirl - Apr. 2nd, 2010 04:11 am (UTC) - Expand
Mar. 26th, 2010 10:53 pm (UTC)
Beyond the obvious arguments of tax revenue, useful byproducts, medicinal use and decreased burden on the legal/penal system, there's a much more salient point: taking the profit out of the business.

Marijuana is a quick, cheap turnaround investment for the drug cartels. It's the meat and potatoes of trafficking, funding the operations for the really big stuff. Take away that income, they're left scraping up cash to fund the pipeline and supply chain, in particular weapons and corrupt officials.

Plus, legalization is the quickest way to drop the cash incentive for dealing it. Dealers can't complete with big industry, i.e. Marlboro Sensimilla 150s. You mention that it's a gateway drug, which I disagree with btw, but it's very much a gateway drug dealer product. Most dealers start selling pot, moving up the ladder to fund their own pot use. Give smokers a legal supply, then dealers are left with the harder product to sell and no reason to really start in the first place.

Lastly, I would really jones for a premium, seedless, organic pack of spliffs. I'm not alone. Gets back to the tax thing, but every facet of the tobacco industry could gear up for marijuana in nothing flat, reviving an entire agricultural region.

Yes, yes, it is bad for you. But so is aspirin (grandfathered into acceptable use), alcohol (prohibition only made it more lucrative), and prescription drugs (of which abuse is orders of magnitude higher than weed).

Finally, Ben Franklin and Tommy Jefferson both grew and smoked it. It's my patriotic duty to emulate two of the grandest of our founding fathers by lighting one up tonight.
Mar. 28th, 2010 12:10 am (UTC)
my mind..
Marijuana use for medicinal purposes (prescribed by a physician) is fine with me, but to legalize it for just the heck, is something I'll never agree to in my mind.

Legalizing marijuana will not affect the cartel one bit, because they'll just start selling some other illegal drug.

Your last paragraph gave me the chuckles!
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Mar. 27th, 2010 11:58 pm (UTC)
evidence for the previous statement...
The evidence I will provide doesn't come from books, but from life itself.

I witnessed the devestation this evil little plant created in the lives of an aunt and uncle. They had many children who were loved and cared for as much as any loving parents could possibly love their children. One of their son's started smoking marijuana, and couldn't stop. Eventually, he found he couldn't get the high he was first experiencing, and went on to haroine. After a while, he started panhandling, and one day, his parents got a call that their son had been found in an alley dead from an overdose.

To me, marijuana is the pawn of the devil, because it's only a stepping stone to other drugs.

Just as there are people who can't stop with one or two alcholic drinks, or tabacco smokers who can't just have a cigarette once a week or so, there are also those who can't just have a few puffs of marijuana. If this isn't so, then why are they called Pot Heads?

I honestly believe that those who smoke pot, start thinking differently, and become totally different people.

Legalizing marijuana will not sold this country's drug problem. Should it be legalized, then what is next? Cocaine? Haroine?

These are my true feelings about drugs; marijuana included.
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Re: evidence for the previous statement... - playgirl - Apr. 2nd, 2010 05:10 am (UTC) - Expand
Mar. 27th, 2010 01:58 am (UTC)
As long as you hold onto the belief that it is morally just to use violence to achieve political ends (or any agenda for that matter), you will never know freedom and liberty. Good men DO NOT rise to positions of evil power. And, the initiation of force (i.e. violence) to achieve any agenda is EVIL, regardless of how bad you think marijuana is! If you truly think violence will stop/prevent drug use, then consider this:

Marijuana is a desired product. There isn't a single thing you can do to control someone's desires. The state, therefore, only succeeds at making the product scarce by controlling supply. Thus, the state makes the product more expensive, and thus more profitable to sell. And, if the product is more profitable, then it's in the best interest of a drug dealer to get clientel addicted whether it be physically or habitually. (Depends on the drug, of course.) So, you will never stop the demand for drugs.

Secondly, your statist position requires law enforcement officers to be 100% loyal to the state, i.e. to be uncorruptable. Unfortunately for you, that's impossible because drug cartels have more money to buy off officers than the state.

Furthermore, the "war on drugs" creates jobs in law enforcement. What happens to those jobs once the state wins? The departments/agencies will get downsized. So, now, it's in the best interest of the officers to keep the drug war going in order for police officers to have jobs.

So, the supply will never be stopped as well. So, while your belief that 'drug use is bad' might be valid, the use of violence against others will not solve the drug dillemma.

If you want to treat drug use, then try to understand why people turn to drugs in the first place.
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(no subject) - tigron_x - Mar. 27th, 2010 05:15 pm (UTC) - Expand
I'll tell you why ... - playgirl - Mar. 28th, 2010 12:17 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: I'll tell you why ... - tigron_x - Mar. 28th, 2010 01:10 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - nahele_101 - Mar. 29th, 2010 01:34 am (UTC) - Expand
Mar. 27th, 2010 02:49 pm (UTC)
My moderately conservative point of view.
I have never needed or desired to use Pot or any illicit drug. I never needed them to feel better about life or myself. I got "high" from being with friends and loved ones.

Like any drug, there are side effects, and I do understand that some of those side effects are positive for those suffering from various illnesses. SO I say legalize for medicinal purposes.

Screw doing it for tax purposes, We are already taxed within an inch of our lives now, and its gonna get worse real soon. If the damn politicians were not spending us into the poor house we would not need additional revenue. Tell the Government to quit spending money they do not have!
Mar. 28th, 2010 02:51 am (UTC)
Re: My moderately conservative point of view.
I agree that all one needs to get high on life is to be among family and friends. Since we're only humans, life has it UPS and DOWNS, and when the DOWN times come, then the best remedy is to go off to a place of solitude, and cry our eyes out.

I also agree that if marijuana cures illnesses, then a medical doctor should fill a prescription for that person. To legalize the stuff for fun and kicks is insane.
Mar. 27th, 2010 03:53 pm (UTC)
I don't think making pot legal well lower crime or make anyone.
Never used the stuff or any drugs (i'm crazy enough without having to use chemicals).
I just see drugs as a crutch and an excuse for people's bad behavior.
Mar. 28th, 2010 12:30 am (UTC)
I've never used it either, and never will, because I have seen first hand what that stuff does to people. And you're right it being an excuse for bad behavior.
Mar. 27th, 2010 06:52 pm (UTC)
I don't mind pot. I know that it affects the mind, long term use can do serious damage, on and on. I also know that it's not the most dangerous substance around, and could probably be controlled with the same effectiveness as alcohol and tobacco. If it were as easy as "just legalize it", as so many people believe, then I'd say to do it.

My problem comes in the form of the suppliers. Right now, a great deal of the marijuana supply comes from foreign nations, and they go through the very dangerous drug cartels to get that product in. (Could this have been avoided? Yes, but it wasn't, and we have to deal with the problem as it exists, not as it once was.)

Those cartels are not going to give up that stream of revenue. They are criminals, but they are also a business, and businesses like money. All that legalizing marijuana will do to them is force them to create front companies that allow them to collect the money more easily. Just imagine, a trade that lets politicians collect taxes while simultaneously funding criminal organizations. Doesn't that just get you all hot and bothered?
Mar. 28th, 2010 03:04 am (UTC)
I don't believe it could have been avoided, because of its continueous demand in this country. I also feel that the cartel grew to the unceasing power it has accomplished because their government took the situation lightly by looking the other way, or traveling the world through as Fox did in his expensive leather cowboy boots.

The cartel isn't worried at all, should this country make marijuana legal, because there will always be another drug that will be in demand.

I believe many marijuana users have smoked for so long that they can't control the habit. There are countless tabacco smokers who are dying of lung cancer, as there are countless alcoholics who will eventually die of liver desease, or worse yet, kill some innocent person due to they're driving while intoxicated.
Mar. 27th, 2010 09:27 pm (UTC)
I vehemently disagree..
Sorry, can't hear you all the way there in 1955...Legalize Everything!

I've tried all the drugs and I'm totally for legalization. It'd be nice to be part of this society again and not being scared of cops all the time. Addiction is a medical issue anyways, the drug war is akin to locking up people for having diabetes or mental illness. Crime will drop because now you're arresting only dangerous people instead of people who think differently from you. in my opinion, anyone in jail for "drug crimes" are political prisoners because they weren't buying the legal narcotics (like the ones that killed Corey Haim).

...I know what the real issue is here, if drugs are legalized then people like me will take advantage, opening up a head shops or a farm, and we'll gain respectability. because in America, rich people make the rules and one way to opress people is to keep them poor...
Apr. 2nd, 2010 05:13 am (UTC)
Re: I vehemently disagree..
I don't agree with you at all. Anyway, I still find you kind of special.
Mar. 27th, 2010 09:59 pm (UTC)
If we're gonna start banning things because they're "dangerous" then we ought to ban handguns and only let the police carry guns...

...Good thing the NRA is a powerful lobby, if you think they're powerful, wait til the stoners get a lobby. I think dope would outsell guns 10 to 1..

Mar. 28th, 2010 01:25 am (UTC)
Re: PS---
Well, putting on a costume (e.g. police uniform) doesn't make an individual infallible.

So, let's take your idea a step further and just disband the government. :)

Re: PS--- - ninjaguydan - Mar. 28th, 2010 01:28 am (UTC) - Expand
Mar. 27th, 2010 10:13 pm (UTC)
Tobacco companies need a new source of income...
Mar. 28th, 2010 12:26 am (UTC)
Spinach maybe?
(no subject) - ayoub - Mar. 28th, 2010 10:25 am (UTC) - Expand
Mar. 29th, 2010 01:31 am (UTC)
Are you high?

Must be.

Pot is a damn plant. Its a plant that has been criminalized and profited from. Legalizing it would immediately take a HUGE burden off taxpayers (whom you get upset about when they get ripped off) and free up prison for ACTUAL, VIOLENT CRIMINALS.

The prison-industrial complex has A LOT of money and MAKES A LOT of money from TAXPAYERS to throw POT SMOKERS in jail.

Its a rip off of tax payer monies. Its b.s. Pot has NEVER killed anyone. I saw it help a young friend of mine (age 23 with full blown spinal cancer) actually be able to eat and keep food down after his MOM got pot for him. Chemo had wrecked his body.

Marijuana should and WILL be legalized eventually. Its the people's will. Props to California.
Apr. 2nd, 2010 04:04 am (UTC)
I stated many times that if marijuana helps some illness, then I'm all for the drug being prescribed by a physician.

As for legalizing it just so people can have their kicks, then I continue to be totally against it.
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