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Andre Bauer - stray animals - the poor




1. First of all, I added some more Valentine's Day Icons at icons2love. Hope more of you join that community.

2. What are your thoughts on Lt. Gov. Andre Bauer of South Carolina comment comparing hungry human-beings to stray animals. It is obvious the man gives ZERO donations to help feed the hungry, whether they be man or beast. I find the man, AND his grandmother extremely heartless.

"My grandmother was not a highly educated woman, but she told me as a small child to quit feeding stray animals. You know why? Because they breed," Bauer said, according to the Greenville News. "You're facilitating the problem if you give an animal or a person ample food supply. They will reproduce, especially ones that don't think too much further than that. And so what you've got to do is you've got to curtail that type of behavior. They don't know any better."
- Lt. Gov. Andre Bauer of South Carolina




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playgirl
Jan. 26th, 2010 11:59 pm (UTC)
I didn't know that...
Wow! What a hypocrite this Andre Bauer is since he himself was a free lunch recipient!
cris_nicewelts
Jan. 27th, 2010 03:34 am (UTC)
Re: I didn't know that...
The thing that I am most mad about is the blame we place on the people who take it. When you grow up with nothing, you will take what you can. You learn to hustle, scam, lie, and cheat. Some continue to do it and take it to extremes and some don't. It is not for me to go around being the moralist.

HOWEVER, as a taxpayer, it is my job to demand to know WHO has the job of working in the WELFARE SYSTEM - the people who make the decisions of how the funds are cleared and distributed. THOSE people I blame. Those people I am mad at. THose people are more than likely college educated and maybe moderatley well off. NOT the social workers, or the office workers, but the heads of departments, those are the ones responsible.
playgirl
Jan. 27th, 2010 05:24 am (UTC)
Re: I didn't know that...
The Welfare SOCIAL WORKERS SUCK (at least the one I encountered)! I remember the day I found out as a FACT, that this woman who was on Welfare with a bunch of kids who had some man living with her. I'm not a tattle tail, but this made me very angry, so I called Welfare to report this woman. A social worker came to my house WITH the woman I had snitched on, to talk about the matter!!! She asked me how long this man had been living with this woman. I told her I had no earthly idea what she was talking about, and I walked away.

It isn't that I'm a coward at all, (I have my firearms) but the man looked like a man who was capable of anything, as was the woman. I lived by myself at the time, (hadn't picked up Grandpa yet), and I just didn't want the kind of problems these two would have given me.

To continue this story, I don't live there anymore, but I'm sure that man and woman are still living happily ever after on the food, rent, utilities, and medical bills we are forking over. At least the children aren't going hungry, and that's a good thing to me.

I know of this other woman who is in her 60's, who is going to a community college. She gets a nice hefty check for this. The problem is, that this woman is having someone else do her homework!

I know MANY more stories that are quite infuriating.
cris_nicewelts
Jan. 27th, 2010 06:12 am (UTC)
Re: I didn't know that...
I still don't agree. I can be mad at them just like you. Which I do. I look at what people buy at the grocery store and get worked up. But I shouldn't, after all, WHO am I to delegate? I don't need shame, patronize to, or oppress. Just because I'm in a position that CAN, doesn't mean I should.

I cannot make people have morals, however I can expect that if there are people who get paid (by my money) to do the best they can to have the most EFFECTIVE policies in place, then do so. Serioulsy, does a person who is getting paid to do their job, not important in this matter?

cris_nicewelts
Jan. 27th, 2010 06:13 am (UTC)
Re: I didn't know that...
UGH. Can I have a spell/grammar check please.
adarkmind
Jan. 27th, 2010 01:51 pm (UTC)
Re: I didn't know that...
Part of the problem with the welfare system, as it is run today, is that it is a setup for failure and not the stepping stone that FDR intended it to be.

Remember, 1930s, most of the country was out of work and living wage jobs were hard to come by so they started the early forms of welfare to lend a hand, mostly to families hit hard by the depression.

Fast foward 80 years and what you have now, because our work ethic as a society and skill requirements for jobs has changed, is a system where once on welfare, it is extremely hard to take the steps to get off welfare because the system is designed to cut off as soon as you become gainfully employed regardless of whether the job pays enough to meet the needs of your family.

There are countless stories of people who have tried to exit welfare by getting a job but the job didn't initially pay enough to get off welfare and survive but when the system found out, they cut benefits to the individual and made them repay what had been paid out while they were employed. How does THAT benefit anyone? So the people end up back on welfare and rather than try to get out of the system, they give up.

On the flip side, you have the younger generations, the "gimme" generations, and members of older generations who want everything served up to them, handed to them on a silver platter. In regards to the younger generations, while not trying to make a sweeping generalization, they don't want to have to struggle and work hard for what they get, they've been coddled too much and they want it handed to them. I see it all the time with my students. Even the effort to seek out answers is sometimes too much effort for the younger generations (18 - 27 yr olds in the case of my students). My response is always, "Do you have a computer? Can you write in English? Are your fingers broken? Yes, Yes, and No? Well then Google it, dammit, and stop being lazy."

I could go on an on as Economics of the Public Sector was my specialization in college but I've already written a mini novel. The system is majorly flawed but the problem is how do you fix it without causing loss of benefits to those who really need them. So, nothing changes and the gaming continues meanwhile those who would like to exit the system, can't.
playgirl
Jan. 28th, 2010 04:24 am (UTC)
Re: I didn't know that...
The reply I had for you was way too long. I even went into a little of my life as a kid living at home. I'm still writing, and can't seem to stop! :o)

You have brought up some pretty interesting, and important issues, so I believe I'll make what I wrote as my reply to you, into another post.
tigron_x
Jan. 26th, 2010 11:15 pm (UTC)
What I gathered is that his overall objection is to the welfare system and the way it is abused by people. So, isn't he attacking those who abuse the system? -- likening them to stray animals. Meaning, helping them in this fashion is like helping stray animals -- which in turn supports the stray animal population. Meaning, one is not actually solving poverty, but actually helping it expand.

It seems like that is what he's getting at.
playgirl
Jan. 27th, 2010 12:22 am (UTC)
The majority of Americans...
I’m also against those who abuse the welfare system by making it a lifetime career, but there are families who are down on their luck (lost job, illness in the family, etc.) and need help to feed their family until they can get back on their feet.

I just found out in a post here, that this Andre Bauer guy grew up on free lunch. Not only is he a hypocrite, but a callous human-being in comparing human-beings to stray animals. This man seems to have forgotten that he too reaped from the kindness of this government’s heart (now that he’s a fancy Republican.

You know of my DEEP love for animals, and of all the countless STRAY animals I have feed, and given a home at my own home. There is no excuse to do nothing when an animal or child is hungry.

I also find it was bad timing for this odious man to say what he said at this time; a time when the people of Haiti is experiencing starvation. I don’t believe I’m mistaken when I say that this man, who has so much, didn’t give one red penny to help feed the POOR people of Haiti.

Remember Tig, it isn’t the children’s fault that their parents are dead beats. No child should go hungry in this country of ours. The majority of American’s have a caring, generous heart for their poor, and our stray animals, and I believe with all my heart that this is the reason this beloved country of ours is so prosperous. Sure, times are rough right now, but we all have so much more than the very poor, and especially than those who live in such countries as Haiti. I believe the Lord sees, and continues to bless this country.
tigron_x
Jan. 27th, 2010 07:29 pm (UTC)
Re: The majority of Americans...
Yes, helping people is a good thing. But welfare isn't the solution. It isn't the cure. Welfare is more like NyQuil. You take it to manage the symptoms for a short time.
nishar
Jan. 27th, 2010 12:00 am (UTC)
I am shocked he didn't add in retarded people, the aged and the infirm should be rounded up and shot as useless eaters. Seriously... I diubt this guy is a real Christian.
playgirl
Jan. 27th, 2010 12:26 am (UTC)
I doubt ...
Not only do I doubt he's a real Christian, I doubt he's a human-being.
nebris
Jan. 27th, 2010 12:25 pm (UTC)
Well, not the socio-politically smartest thing to say, but not entirely off the mark either. I assume you spay all your lil critters, darling? ;)

Remember that I have been through 'the system' and am still presently on SSI. I have seen all this up close and personal and I have to say that most folks in the so-called system - which IS a mutha fuckin' jury-rigged mess - are pretty gaddam stupid and need to be spayed. However, most humans I've met in general are pretty gaddam stupid and need to be spayed, so such a statement is, IMHO, not an indictment of the system itself per se.

Most of the folks I met who worked in the system were good, well meaning people. And most of them burned out. The few corrupt ones tended to be really bad apples. That social worker you mention above is probably one of those or else criminally naive. Both are equally possible.

~M~
playgirl
Jan. 28th, 2010 03:02 am (UTC)
The blackmail in this ...
First of all, I'm a responsible critter owner who has (out of my own pocket) all 11 dogs (the 12th one, baby Peanut will be losing his manhood soon, too), and 14 cats not only spayed, nuetered, but micro-chipped, too! :o)

"most humans I've met in general are pretty gaddam stupid and need to be spayed" You're wrong in this statement. These humans aren't stupid at all. They are extremely clever 'cuz they found a way of living without ever working a day in their lives. The men keep looking for women who live offf Welfare to shack up with, and add more kids to the temporary family. I say temporary, because eventually these men leave these women in hunt for fresher pastures.

The blackmail in this Welfare system is, that most of us just don't want the poor kids these people produce to go hungry.

The social worker I spoke of was as stupid as they come, but I was even more stupid because I should have reported her stupidity to her superiors at the time.




nebris
Jan. 28th, 2010 03:12 am (UTC)
I'm quite clear on this....
While I was homeless and in the heart of the system I never encountered more than a handful of these so-called 'welfare cheats'. Nearly everybody I met was either recovering from some type of addiction, struggling with mental illness, and/or just down on their luck. I'm talking hundreds of people.

The ones who were intelligent worked their way through it. But most were not and wound up back on the streets over and over again.

Remember, I was in the middle of this, not looking in, and I know full well what I experienced.

~M~
charliemc
Jan. 27th, 2010 12:26 pm (UTC)
There aren't even words.

Seriously.
playgirl
Jan. 28th, 2010 03:04 am (UTC)
kinda leaves us in awe...
The comparison of these people to stray animals is most shocking to me.
ayoub
Jan. 27th, 2010 02:32 pm (UTC)
Yes... Heartless!
playgirl
Jan. 28th, 2010 12:06 am (UTC)
He is, just like old Rush, and Robertson.
davev1968
Jan. 27th, 2010 03:02 pm (UTC)
I think what he was trying to say was combination of "Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime." and "People will rise to the level expected of them."

And, I don't think he was far from the truth. Just look at the reports of women having children to increase their welfare checks. The extreme example is the one woman who had something like 15 children and grandchildren living with her and collecting welfare and DCFS money for them all as well as herself, but was getting money from the parents of the grandchildren to raise them.

The fact that you hate the messenger or the message is not a reason to ignore the message. That just leads to further problems.
playgirl
Jan. 28th, 2010 12:05 am (UTC)
the comparison of poor people...
I agree with the fish quote you’ve given, but I can’t believe this is what this man was trying to say. Had he left out the comparison of poor people, and stray animals, I wouldn’t have been offended at all by some of his beliefs. Also, I feel he was sending out a message without using the word Haiti, and that was not to help the people of that country. This was not the time for him to have made the comments he made since the people of Haiti are suffering beyond human endurance due to that earthquake.

This man apparently grew up on free lunches at school; therefore I find it hypocritical for him to say anything against the topic of Welfare.
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