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Terrorists Abdulmutallab & Hasan




By the grace of God, Nigerian Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab failed to set off a bomb on Christmas day which he had hidden in his clothes. Had he succeeded, he would have murdered at least 300 people who were in the jetliner. He has admitted that the slaughter would have been for a Yemeni branch of al-Qaida.

Ft. Hood Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan had been given orders to deploy to Iraq, or was it Afghanistan (I can’t recall where). The coward had a tantrum, and went on a shooting spree, murdering 12 soldiers, and wounding at least 30.

There is absolutely no doubt in our minds that Abdulmutallab attempted to murder Americans, and Hasan was successful in murdering and wounding so many people.

There are so many things that anger me, and that I'll never understand about our system.

Hasan has already cost the American tax payer thousands upon thousands in educating him via the military to become a psychiatrist.

Why has Hasan been under psychiatry evaluation? How much money did this cost the tax payer?

How much money of tax payer dollars have been spent since the day he was taken to the hospital for the wounds our American Hero inflicted upon him?

What right does Hasan have to hire an attorney? How much is this going to cost the tax payer?

What right does this beast have to have any kind of rights such as those similar to our Miranda rights?

I'm positive the same $$$ will apply to Abdulmutallab.

Again, I ask WHY?! To me, these men are loathsome cowardly terrorists. Sure, interrogate them to the fullest for a couple of days, then take them outside, grab an old rope and hang them from a tree, then dig a hole and dump their vile bodies in it. Cost to the American taxpayer? NOTHING!

When will the day come when America says, The Buck Stops Here, when it comes to coddling these terrorists?!


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darkphoenixrisn
Dec. 30th, 2009 10:11 pm (UTC)
Criminals should be placed on trial and, if found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, punished according to the law. Murder and attempted murder are criminal acts.
playgirl
Dec. 31st, 2009 02:22 am (UTC)
rant
I realize my rant was insane, but it still angers me when a terrorist like Abdulmutallab isn't just beaten up to a pulp by all those who came so close to losing their lives on that plane.

I know I've contradicted myself in this post, since I'm still against the death penalty, but if I had been among those on that plane, I would have asked the authorities to allow me to give him at least a giant kick in the butt!
spiritualmonkey
Dec. 31st, 2009 02:02 am (UTC)
Thing about rights, it's easy to give them to people you like. They matter most when giving them to people you hate.

This is what makes us better than the terrorists. This is why whatever happens to this country, it won't be taken down by people with bombs in their pants/shoes.

We may crumbles and fall under our own weight and contradictions*, but God help us all when we stark throwing people into dark holes without trial. That's always been the tools of totalitarian thugs.

* On the subject of what is America facing, I'd recommend to you the book The Fourth Turning. It's about generational dynamics and why we're on schedule for ~20 years of turmoil and crisis.

Our nation has been trough periods like this before, and they come like seasons in roughly 80-100 year cycles. It's time for about 20 years of emotional winter in our country's psyche. After winter comes spring, and solving the problems of our 20-year-crisis will set up the next "first turning" and start the cycle over.

High level summary:
First Turning: "The High". Pervious crisis solved. (post WWII)
Second Turning: "The Awakening" Riding the high, society turns towards great causes and movements. (Baby boomers & the 60s)
Third Turning: "The Decline". Why aren't things as good as they used to be? (The 80s up til a few years ago)
Fourth Turning: "The Crisis". Things collapse, the old order falls away, out of the crisis a new order is established. (Welcome to the econo-/enviropocalypse).

But seriously, get a copy out of the library. Can't recommend it enough. It gives a lot of context about what we're going through as a society. It doesn't predict what will happen (e.g. disasters, wars) only how society will generally react to it. Because going back to Elizabethan England, the same generational patterns have repeated themselves in Anglo/American society.

I think there's a non-zero chance that the US we grew up in may not exist as a 50-state union by 2030. The Fourth Turning brings massive changes.

Srsly, highly recommend this book. Also, if you were born between 1961 and 1981, get a hold of 13th Gen: Abort, Retry, Ignore, Fail?. Same authors, same framework, focusing on how people of the 13th generation to call themselves Americans are, like all the "nomad generations" before us, pretty much screwed because of when we come of age in the cycle of turnings.

Fuck, I get long-winded. ;-)
playgirl
Dec. 31st, 2009 03:42 am (UTC)
long winded...
Thing about rights, it's easy to give them to people you like. They matter most when giving them to people you hate.

Agreed that those I like and don’t like should have rights. It just irks me when terrorists from other countries have rights, also.

I read a little about some guy from England (I think) who was executed a few days ago in China for trying to smuggling drugs. I bet China doesn’t have to tinker around with words such as “Say no to Drugs.

Why do we have to be better than the terrorists by reacting in a civil manner to their attempts in wiping us out? If you or I went to those countries where terrorists live, and tried to do what men such as this Abdulmutallab tried to do on that plane, they sure wouldn’t bother giving us any rights to defend ourselves. They’d interrogate us, and then torture us until we died.

Would it be a solution in ending all these horrific things that have been happening if we’d just bring back home all our soldiers, and just let them fight among one another? Perhaps they hate us because we’re in their country. How nice it would be if everyone on earth would mind their own business and live in peace. I know! I’m either dreaming, or I’ve gone completely mad!

I’ve never been filled with worry about our country as I am now. So many people hate us; so many want to destroy us.

You speak of an 80 to 100 year cycle. Are we going to survive this one? When you say the old order will fall, do you mean life as we have known it will come to an end forever? What will the new order be like, and has it started already?

Thank you for recommending The Fourth Turning. I’m mostly into reading anything, and everything about computers (my livelihood), but I’ll try my darnest to read the book you mentioned.

I like it when you or anyone else gets long winded! :o)
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playgirl
Dec. 31st, 2009 03:59 am (UTC)
twisted mix...
None? Since nothing is free in life, who will be stuck with the bill?

I realize there is no other way of doing it. Too bad, since this man destroyed so many lives by his actions.

I honestly believe the man was, and is as sane as you and me. There’s nothing to evaluate. He is a coward to use the military for personal gain (an education). He was happier then hell until the day he was given his orders. He is a man who will not accept the word NO. He begged to remain in his safe little haven, and when he was told NO by his superiors, he went into a rage.

I agree that it is, as you put it, a twisted mix.
daddy
Jan. 1st, 2010 01:49 am (UTC)
Uh, if you check the flight path, you will realize that the American Airlines jet was in Canadian airspace and if he had detonated the bomb it would have come down into Labrador which makes this an International Incident.
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daddy
Jan. 2nd, 2010 03:41 am (UTC)
Yes they landed in Detroit and was arrested there. Shame there was no Air Marshal on board who could have dispatched him with extreme prejudice on the spot. That way he would have been room temperature when they landed and the only one to be called in would have been the coroner.

The ignition of the "panty bomb" was done in Canadian air space, some 20 minutes before the aircraft was to land, Other reports simply say it happened "before landing" According to ABC's report they say that the panty bopmber was "supposed" to detonate the explosive "over the US" I wonder how they knew that? I find it very amusing that it was a passenger, Jasper Schuringa from Amsterdam who initially subdued the scumbag.

My only question now is how long will it be till CAIR or the ACLU sues Schuringa for interferring in Mutallab's Civil Rights to express himself by blowing his balls off in flight.
tempus
Dec. 31st, 2009 04:02 am (UTC)
I think you give him all the normal rights as a civilian. What jury in their right mind is going to walk a guy who is caught with his CROTCH ON FIRE STATING HE IS TRYING TO BLOW UP THE PLANE. Have faith in the system, Playgirl. To take away his rights would erode the worlds faith in our legal system. Give him his rights, his day in trial and he will be convicted accordingly without it looking like a sham trial.

(in my humble opinion, as someone who is, himself, a prosecutor)
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playgirl
Dec. 31st, 2009 04:16 am (UTC)
Forgive me for butting in here, but I had to.

That was So! So! Fun-eee!!!
playgirl
Dec. 31st, 2009 04:18 am (UTC)
bottled up ...
I know you're right. I just had to explode my bottled up rage for these two men.
ayoub
Dec. 31st, 2009 11:54 am (UTC)
If justice is going to be upheld, it has to apply to all...

Once justice is denied to one, it can be denied to more.

*hugs tight*
foskat
Dec. 31st, 2009 04:19 pm (UTC)
Justice is a joke
I have seen to many corruptions of Justice in the US already. Anyone thinking lynching a terrorist is going to kill doesn't realize the patient is already dead. I say if they belong to a group that declare war or Jihad against the us we should not grant any rights that they chose not to grant. They were willing to kill 300 as a statement. I'd say interrogate for 24 hours and hanging them would be a good statement. There is not any reason to handle them with the rights they have not granted anyone else.
mirmusing
Dec. 31st, 2009 08:36 pm (UTC)
Liberty
They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security.

Benjamin Franklin
daddy
Jan. 1st, 2010 01:39 am (UTC)
Hello??? Whois to blame???
Well lets see who all can we blame here? First off Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan was given orders to Afghanistan because the other Doctors at his previous duty station was tired of hearing his diatribes about how the US was wrong and deserved the attacks that had been perpetrated by the Islamic extremists. His co-workers and his Commanding Officer were too chicken shit to bring him up before a board because none of them had any balls and did not want to be seen as racist because Obama had made the order that there was no such thing as terrorism or terrorists through his cabinet staff. They were man made disasters and unhappy Islamics or some silly ass phrase.

Next when he got to Fort Hood the same thing happened there. No Officers with any balls. Thyen when he did what he had PLANNED to do... This was not just a random act it was pre-meditated. Then OBAMA instead of calling a spade a spade, did the back step like he did with the UofMass incident and said nothing about the terrorist act or the Terrorist and did another milk toast speech.

Move forward to Christmas Day, when he was advised of a terrorist who was on the watch list, who's father had warned the State Department and the CIA that his Son had gone renegade months before, and the State Department had done NOTHING not even revoke his unlimited VISA, AND that he had purchased a one way ticket, with NO luggage, IN CASH (ALL RED FLAGS) The Airlines did nothing, and when notified Obams gave a news conference in Hawaii so he would not have to upset his holiday. and once again he did not use the term TERRORIST or Terrorism, AND he did not mention that his Secretary of Homeland Security said the day before that the program to catch terrorists and prevent them from flying to the US was working perfect;y, then two days later said she was "mis quoted" and the programs were pieces of shit. BUT Obama did say that it was the same program that Bush had in place. but refuses to say that it was HIS cabinet that has used the same program for over a year without any updates.

NEXT Hasan was arrested as a criminal NOT a terrorist because there is no such thing in Obama's administration. He will not be taken to Cuba with the rest since they will be coming to Illinois soon. and all will be treated as US Citizens because its Obama's will. They all will have lawyers paid for you YOU, and then be released to Yemen or where ever to find another way to attack the United States because Obama has no balls.

I truied to tell y'all that bu noooooo you did not wanna listen hell he had no balls when he was a senator never taking a stand on anything except voting FOR late term Abortions and refusing to give a fetus who survived the abortion any medical assistance, but allowed to die alone without any human touch or kindness. The rest of the time he simply voted "Present" not making a stand on anything that might come back to bite him in the ass later.

SO who can we blame?? Start by looking in the Mirror if you voted for Obama! Start There! The BUST stops with you! certainly not Obama
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daddy
Jan. 2nd, 2010 02:30 am (UTC)
Re: Hello??? Whois to blame???
You are correct, but I truly wonder if Obama's Cabinet is gonna allow it to stay as a military matter as it should be. Agreed that a true Court Martial could and should find him guilty and execute the scum with bullets dipped in pig fat by a firing squad of female soldiers.
Somehow I dont think the liberal socialist in the cabinet will allow a military execution (the first in decades) to happen on Obama's watch.
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daddy
Jan. 2nd, 2010 05:47 am (UTC)
Re: Hello??? Whois to blame???
I would normally agree with you BUT in the last 12 months there have been a lot of things happening that are contrary to the Constitution, which was enacted by Congress!

Like the taking over of private company's like banks and auto manufacturing companies. No where in the Constitution does it allow the for congress or the President to take over a private company and fire the legitiomate president or CEO. This has even happened in the past when the US Government assumed control of the Steel Mills. Nowhere in the Constitution does it guarantee a private citizen will be covered by a government insurance company, The Constitution also says the President must be a US born citizen, This is still in question by many in this country where Obama is concerned. So you see a lot of shit that is not in the Constitution has been happening lately,

We will have to wait and see.
dlanor
Jan. 1st, 2010 06:32 am (UTC)
Re: Hello??? Whois to blame???
I second all that you said. This administration has no balls to do the right thing, no matter what they think they are doing.
paulpomes
Jan. 5th, 2010 05:28 pm (UTC)
We give him a fair trial because that is what civilized nations do. We don't take short cuts because that is a slippery slope of exceptions that sooner or later will come home to bite us in the behind.
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