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1. Of course I've heard of Ralph Nader before, but I'd never paid much attention to him or his endeavors or accomplishments until now that I discovered that he is an accomplished man to be respected. I read up on him because he'll be running for President of the U.S., as he has apparently done for many years in the past. I also heard on MSNBC that he was responsible for Al Gore losing when he ran for president.

My question is why has this man decided to run at this point of the race, when he recognizes that he can't possibly win, or at least I don’t believe so. Why does he do this, and will this have an effect on the candidates who have been running from the beginning?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside.
If we falter, and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
- Abraham Lincoln

"War is never economically beneficial except for
those in position to profit from war expenditures."
- Congressman Ron Paul

2. Another question: My last post was a catastrophe, and I realize I’ve been posting quite a few pessimistic political and world news events. Am I getting out of hand, and are you kids sick and tired of my world news and political porn rants?

I just haven’t been able to feel my naturally obnoxious silly self lately, and to do so, it must come from deep within my giggle box for it to be authentic. It’s an attitude that just can’t be forged. Perhaps it has something to do with the presidential elections, because for the first time in my life, I’m paying attention with great interest and concern, but the predicament I find myself in is that the more I dig, the more confused I become.

Perhaps I’m mistaken, and our world is the color of peaches and cream, and not the gray I’ve been portraying it from deep inside my soul. Oh well, I’m heading my ass straight to mass for an hour of much needed spiritual food! But before I go, I’ll leave this for you to ponder!

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Bear Arms, Shall Not Be infringed."


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Feb. 24th, 2008 06:12 pm (UTC)
I like to think of Nader as the Paris Hilton of politics - pretty much famous for simply being ... well, famous. Don't get me wrong - back in the day, Monsieur Nader was an influential and important individual. If you ever stop to contemplate car safety (seat belts, crash tests, safety features), then you have Ralph to thank. He was merciless in his pursuit to shame the big automakers to be responsible for the safety of their consumers.

HOWEVER, that being said, he's outlived his usefulness. He's a political dinosaur, and I certainly wish he could find a tar pit to sink in. He's now a nobody, and he's figured out that the best way to get in the limelight is to run for President. Problem is, he sucks away votes from the Dems (basically stupid Greens who still naively believe that this nation will EVER be anything more than a two-party system), and helps the Republicans.

Call me extreme, but I think we can put the Iraq war, No Child Left Behind, Christian extremism, lost rights, the PATRIOT ACT, and other lovely Bush Administration acts of beauty ON NADER'S DOORSTEP, because if he hadn't run, Al Gore would be the President right now.

Sorry for the rant! Hugs and Smooches!
Feb. 25th, 2008 12:37 am (UTC)
Nader - Paris Hilton
Nader as the Paris Hilton of politics

I think I know exactly what you mean, and now I can see why this man would run at this point, as he's done in all the others. Makes sense!

Don't apologize for the rant. I loved it!

Feb. 24th, 2008 06:33 pm (UTC)
I'm thinking Ralph might've shown up to be the Ross Perot of this election. Ross was never serious about winning, he just wanted to fuck with the system to ensure that the race went right and that people got involved, stirred up, and stand between both sides and figure out who's who and what's what. When Ross suddenly showed signs of having a chance of winning, he did the expected thing, and suddenly bowed out of the race, to avoid fucking the country up Ross Perot style, and letting everyone who had been paying so much attention to all sides suddenly have to pick a clear side to be on now that their favorite was gone. It worked nicely, and I wish every election would have their own Ross Perot, whether it's him or not.
Feb. 25th, 2008 12:44 am (UTC)
I want Nader to go away ...
Now you've got me wondering if Nader showed those signs of winning, would he bow out as Perot did.

Oh well, I want Nader to go away and start accomplishing more, but in some other field! Perhaps making worldwide wars illegal!
Feb. 24th, 2008 06:46 pm (UTC)
For the record, I approve of your political porn.

As for Nader, I don't know why he's doing it. It seems pretty pointless. Now, from what I understand, last time around he was taking campaign funds from Republicans, which makes me wonder if he's not actually acting with some malevolence. I don't trust him, and I don't respect him (sure, historically he's worked hard and done some good, but where has he been for the last 7 years other than election season?). There's alot of good he could have done, there have been alot of battles he could have been waging, but he just shows up for the elections. Somethings wrong there.
Feb. 26th, 2008 06:39 pm (UTC)
or just maybe to screw ...
Perhaps for attention, or just maybe to screw the Democratic Party? I don't know, either, but I don't trust him either.
Feb. 24th, 2008 07:09 pm (UTC)
a little whipped cream can go a long way ;o)
Just be your self Sunshine in the end that is all any of us can do and if you want to look at life as the color of peaches and cream sometimes. You might find out that there is a lot more peaches and a lot more cream out there too you just have to look for it
And you know I have a lot of whipped cream :o) if you need any just let me know it can be a lot of fun =o) wink wink

And your last post was not a catastrophe I just think we are all getting so much thrown at us from everywhere and it gets a little over whelming.

It is your journal just say and do what you want that makes you Happy!

And as far as Ralph Nader goes he did hurt Al Gore he took a lot of votes from him and he was trying to get a third party going but he thinks he is the only one that can be there candidate so he has kind of killed the party

Well have a great Sunday Savanah and a lot of Love and kisses from your Hot Buns! ;o)

Love you!
Feb. 25th, 2008 12:47 am (UTC)
Re: a little whipped cream can go a long way ;o)
Oh, but I am myself… I wouldn't and couldn't be any other way.

Perhaps Nader hurt Gores chances for winning. Perhaps.
Re: a little whipped cream can go a long way ;o) - (Anonymous) - Feb. 25th, 2008 02:07 am (UTC) - Expand
Feb. 24th, 2008 07:14 pm (UTC)
Personally, I doubt if he's messing anything up. In the two party set up we have, running as a third party as a protest is about all you can do. People who vote for 3rd parties probably wouldn't vote for one of the other two anyway. In Florida, it was close, but it was so close than any number of things could have altered the outcome. The campaign trail pulpit is a strong one if you can get it, and generally 3rd party candidates are the only ones that even bother to talk about issues rather than partisan name calling. Your only real hope as a 3rd party is to cause enough grief that one or both of the other parties adopts enough of your platform planks to make you defunct.
Feb. 26th, 2008 06:42 pm (UTC)
As for Nader not messing up things...I wonder, but then, who knows. I just only hope he doesn't mess up Obama!
Feb. 24th, 2008 08:21 pm (UTC)
great. Post a video by some whack job for people to think about.

Tell you what, you learn to think critically and consider the source of the information then get back to me.
Feb. 25th, 2008 12:09 am (UTC)
It is obvious that you and I seem to be clashing quite a bit as of late about our differences in beliefs about the topics I've been posting, and that's fine with me.

BUT...I beg your pardon; I'm very well equipped to think critically. What better source then Ron Paul and the rest in this video, and all the others I've seen? They have presented pertinent information that one shouldn't ignore. Yes, they could be wrong, but you and others who differ, could be wrong, also, and this is why I must remain open minded in gathering different points of view from those who wish to share them with me. Oftentimes, I find that I'm totally wrong, but I could care less. The good thing about me is that I will admit it at the drop of a hat. If someone tries to humiliate me, I could give a horse’s wiggly tail!

I have found that those who are afraid to ask questions for fear of humiliation never learn anything. I have no problem admitting my ignorance, and thank God I don't, because by admitting it I have learned an awful lot from my LJ friends by paying close attention, and evaluating all they contribute, but in the end, I come to my own conclusions. Now mind you, I admit I'm IGNORANT on way too many issues and my writing skills leave MUCH to be desired, but I'm NOT stupid! OK?!

Oh! And you want me to get back to you after I’ve learned to think critically? Guess what? I N-E-V-E-R, EVER, E-V-E-R get back to ANYONE! YOU get back to me if you wish. If not, then WHATEVER!
Re: I N-E-V-E-R, EVER, E-V-E-R - davev1968 - Feb. 25th, 2008 02:42 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: I N-E-V-E-R, EVER, E-V-E-R - playgirl - Feb. 25th, 2008 06:38 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: I N-E-V-E-R, EVER, E-V-E-R - moon_shine - Feb. 25th, 2008 07:26 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: I N-E-V-E-R, EVER, E-V-E-R - playgirl - Feb. 27th, 2008 04:24 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: I N-E-V-E-R, EVER, E-V-E-R - moon_shine - Mar. 8th, 2008 01:50 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: I N-E-V-E-R, EVER, E-V-E-R - davev1968 - Feb. 25th, 2008 02:35 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: I N-E-V-E-R, EVER, E-V-E-R - moon_shine - Feb. 25th, 2008 09:12 pm (UTC) - Expand
Feb. 24th, 2008 08:23 pm (UTC)
I still say Al Gore lost his own election. Nader shouldnt have even been a consideration.
Feb. 26th, 2008 07:13 pm (UTC)
A few say it may not have mattered. I tend to believe differently, because I can't find any other reason why this man desides to run at this late in the game, other than to mess up the democratic runner.
Feb. 24th, 2008 09:23 pm (UTC)
As i understand it, Mr Nader has a very huge ego and actually thinks he can win or maybe he just enjoys being humiliated and defeated.

But it's America!
Feb. 26th, 2008 07:14 pm (UTC)
Perhaps it's his need for attention, because he knows he stands no chance of winning.
Feb. 24th, 2008 11:18 pm (UTC)
Nader thinks he has something to contribute to the political landscape. He's certainly entitled to make a run at the presidency, just like all the other pretenders.

I'll tell you what, though. If there was ever a year for a strong third party candidate, this would be it. It'll never happen, but man, do the frontrunners ever suck this time around.
Feb. 26th, 2008 07:17 pm (UTC)
I really can't see what he has to contribute, but it's true, he has ever right to run and not spend a penny.

Yes, they all suck, except for Obama.

(no subject) - uglyface2 - Feb. 26th, 2008 08:29 pm (UTC) - Expand
What do we have to lose ... - playgirl - Feb. 26th, 2008 09:10 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: What do we have to lose ... - uglyface2 - Feb. 27th, 2008 12:43 am (UTC) - Expand
Feb. 24th, 2008 11:42 pm (UTC)
Regarding Nader................... he has to know that his running might cause McCain to win. He also has to know that McCain is likely to be less Green than Obama or Hillary.

That leaves but one other possibility, he has some very wrong, maybe egotistical, idea that he is doing the country or his reputation much good.
Feb. 25th, 2008 02:28 am (UTC)
Not a chance. Nader's rockstar candidate days are over.

So are McCain's. Can you honestly look at his campaign and tell me there's any excitement behind it? The Reps' base doesn't trust him, and the Dems have Obama to draw in centrists. It's all over but the crying, so far as I'm concerned.

No, really. I hate all three frontrunners. I've got at least another four years of crying to go.
(no subject) - playgirl - Feb. 26th, 2008 07:19 pm (UTC) - Expand
Feb. 25th, 2008 06:18 am (UTC)
1.) Nader has always chosen his course of action on the premise of showing that one man can make a difference. Not just to others, but mostly to himself. He doesn't always believe his ideas will work out, however, his whole goal and paradigm boils down to one notion: apply oneself and figure it out. In my opinion, if people would learn and adhere to this notion, then this country would be a lot better off; i.e. people would take responsibility for the state of the world instead of acting like a bunch of children.

2.) Well, you know first hand how bad things can get, and I think you've become aware of the corruption in this world on a whole other level than most people will ever take the time to consider. And I think you're just trying to make sense of it all in order to see where you fit in the scheme of things so that you can apply yourself accordingly and survive and prosper. Part of growing up, in my opinion, is realizing the world isn't all bubbly and happy. My expression of this realization has caused people to label me as a cynic, probablly because I burst their bubble. Some people would just rather ignore or not be bothered with what's going on around them. They just want to live in a fantasy world where someone else will take responsibility for them while they live happily ever after.

As for that video, if you've read my comments, then you know I've become aware of the many things this video touches on. That quote where the man says world government will come by either consent or force, well, in America they've gotten your consent. Though it was an unconscious bargain; i.e. you've been coerced into giving it. Remember one thing, contract makes the law.
Feb. 26th, 2008 07:28 pm (UTC)
have finally broken me
Of course I've read your other comments. I read your every word!

It tears me apart that we will all come to play in their plans, like meek little sheep, because as you said, most have fallen into the lies the media portays. They've suceeded in filling as all with fear, so much fear that we're consumed by it.

I've given all these truths much thought, and have come to the conclusion that all the nasty things I've learned about those who lead this country as of late, have finally broken me, and that I have no other choice but to go with the flow if I'm to survive, at least for a little bit.

How I wish I'd remaind an ostrich, with my head inside the ground.
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Feb. 25th, 2008 06:19 am (UTC)
I'm sick of the election in general and believe that the process is far too long and media-driven. Most voters start making up their minds around the time of the world series.

I believe Barack Obama is this generation's William Jennings Bryan. I don't think he'll be able to win in the general election, mainly because once he has to tell people what he's going to do and articulate policy positions, he'll reveal himself to be the standard-issue far-lefty that he is.

I have reservations about McCain because of his wobbly stance on border issues and the McCain-Feingold act that regulated political speech and caused the rise of 527s like Moveon.org on the left and the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth on the right (we can all agree, I think, that these vehicles for the extremists in our country help NOBODY.

That said, I don't think we can afford a tax hike that an Obama administration would surely bring, as much as I think he's a nice guy and all.

I'm more of a libertarian than a Republican, playgirl, but the rise of Islamofacism frightens me and I want us to stay strong. Basically, I don't trust ANYBODY.

Given the choices we have today I'm supporting McCain but I'd be lying if I said I was very confident about that choice. The Democrats, however, are only offering more of the same. They also have the questionable position of being pro-worker but anti-the people paying people to work for them. I just don't GET that. Extensive regulation just forces businesses to lay people off. I don't want a return of Jimmy Carter's misery index...and while the last four years have been tough, the Iraq situation has improved drastically.

I'm trying to say that while I'm all for "hope" and "change" there's GOT to be something besides "End the War" and "look into invading Pakistan" and "restore the old tax rates" before I even BEGIN to consider voting for someone.

I believe Barack will show himself to be an unreconstructed New Dealer if elected. And I don't think that would be good.

It's ok to post about politics, playgirl. I don't mind. So long as it's ok to post opposing points of view (given that they're thought out like this one ;p)
Feb. 26th, 2008 08:36 pm (UTC)
I wouldn't have it any other way...
You can express your views any topic I bring out. I wouldn't have it any other way!

As for myself, I would never vote for McCain, especially after watching the video where he says we Americans won't mind if this country is at war for the next 1000, to 10,000 years. I feel he's a replica on this war issue to Bush.

The things that have made Obama so very popular among voters is that he has instilled hope, hope that's been desperately needed, into so many of us, because we need change. If this country continues on the path we've been going through, for way too long, then I honestly believe we're doomed as a country.

Feb. 25th, 2008 01:06 pm (UTC)
The world is not the colour of peaches and cream... It's the colour of blood...

The world is going to hell in a handbasket...

Although, I like the idea of a single world government, as long as it's done right...
Feb. 25th, 2008 08:55 pm (UTC)
Wow that is a depressing thought
There can always be something good to find in every situation.

“Although, I like the idea of a single world government, as long as it's done right...”
It could never be done right
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Feb. 26th, 2008 07:22 pm (UTC)
I hope you are having a good day Sunshine!:o)
Feb. 26th, 2008 08:42 pm (UTC)
Re: (((Hugs)))
Having a great day.
Re: (((Hugs))) - moon_shine - Feb. 26th, 2008 09:05 pm (UTC) - Expand
Feb. 27th, 2008 06:24 pm (UTC)
Peaches and cream?
I don't really care for that particular flavor. Therefore, the world may be flavored that and still leave a bitter taste in my mouth.

But it does seem pretty grey to me.
Feb. 29th, 2008 01:33 am (UTC)
Re: Peaches and cream?
Gray? Me, too. :o(
Re: Peaches and cream? - jasonecaesar - Feb. 29th, 2008 04:24 am (UTC) - Expand
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