Playboy Mansion, eh? :)

I think they made it out and made a nice, quiet living somewhere on the west coast.

As far as prisons, that is a tricky question. I believe that prisons should be broken down into "Prisons just for murderers and rapists" and "Prisons for other felons". I have no remorse for rapists and child molesters, so I would pen them up with the murderers in the most crowded, inhumane prisons of the country. The crimes they committed were inhumane so they should suffer the same indignity.

As far as other felons in prison, they should be incarcerated without many liberties, but should be given more human conditions.

Ya I think they did make it!

And as far as prisons go some are just as bad today there are some federal prisons where they never let the prisoner ever touch another person ever makes me sick.

Now the PLAYBOY MANSION!? Hum =o)

I suspect they did.

>it has been assumed that they drowned in the icy cold water because their bodies were never found.

Hm. The only time you EVER hear about the icy waters of San Francisco Bay is from prison spokespersons. I think they were just trying to strike a cautionary "don't dare try to escape" message.

>Do you think we need more prisons like Alcatraz for America's most dangerous and evil convicts?

I dunno about "more" prisons...perhaps better-separated populations. And since people are always trying to come up with better ways to do that, I presume it's a tougher problem than it sounds.

I too am wondering about what has happened at the Platboy mansion. I know that if you ever went there Hef would try to have you as his next girlfriend, and his Daughter would make you the Next Covergirl and Centerfold... At least you would not have to worry about having staples in your bellybutton...

I would have given my vast fortune to see you in a bikini in the grotto...

glad you got all your data back. I absolutely FREAK when that happens to me. And it has.. oh how is has. As soon as I start writing my thesis, it is going to be backed up everywhere.

I have read a lot about that escape over the years. In my humble opinion I think they died in the water and the bodies were swept out to sea.

I'm happy you enjoyed the City! Next time you come out, I'd love to show you some of the sites most people don't get to see! Cheers!

Lets leave it as I hope they made it as I wish no ill to anyone human life but I won't touch he subject of weather or not we need more or less prisons like that. How have you been?? I have been working so much overtime at work that I rarely have time to be online any more. I barely have time for anything any more.

Some more awesome pics!

Cutting 'friends' is really tough... I do think you are right though, it need to be done. Especially if there are people that don't post, comment and/or even acknowledge when you say happy birthday to them!

I love the picture posts you do and your user icons too! *swoon*

I am not sure if they made it out alive... I hope so.

As for prisons... unfortunately, it seems like everyone thinks that if someone commits a crime they should rot in prison... but people never, unless you were personally involved, know the whole story or the circumstances. I am not excusing everyone or condoning anyone at all, but every person in this world should not be condemned forever because of very bad and wrong decisions/actions that they have made in their lives. Instead we need to find out why they did it and get them help to reform them. Putting someone in inhospitable conditions similar to that will only make them more angry and more intolerant. They do their time, get out and commit another crime. We need to give them an environment where they can be reformed and learn to become decent citizens and human beings again. Unfortunately some can not be reformed, but they are still humans, and even if some did some inhumane things they still do not deserve to be treated like an animal in a cage... and I don't think animals should be caged either, so of course people shouldn't as well!! Just my two cents, and you know Playgirl, that I have some personal experience/insite...

Glad you were able to fix your stuff! What a pain though!!

I had planned a trip to SF for Oct 27th but got too sick to commit... I ended up going to Orlando and was still happy with that experience. I have always wanted to goto to SF however, especially since it was to photograph an anti-war protest...

I often think about the photos I would have had, had I done something different, gone to a different city or even walked a different direction at an event I attended... I love my photos, it feels odd to think that little changes could have prevented them from ever existing...

Anyway, I need to do SF too... I can't wait to fall in love with those future photos ;)

I think some of them made it...

:D

I've loved this tour :D

have you watched the film "No End In Sight", about the war in Iraq, yet?

I just saw it on the shelf at the video store and rented it tonight. it was REALLY interesting. it has interviews with a lot of military and intelligence people about how the war has evolved.

http://www.noendinsightmovie.com/