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No wonder our government is so filthy rich. Who the hell lives to be 62 to reap of what's dually theirs, and if they do, chances are they'll die a year or two after, leaving all that money behind!


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Oct. 16th, 2007 07:57 pm (UTC)
Re: I am guessing you speak of Social Security?
Oodles have put into Social Security for years, and have died before they reached 62. Isn't this taken into account? And why doesn't someone start fixing it right now?
Oct. 16th, 2007 08:22 pm (UTC)
Re: I am guessing you speak of Social Security?
When social security was created it was created with the idea that at some point it would have to use some public funds. Plus when Social Security was flush the government kept borrowing from the fund for other projects much of that money has not been paid back to this day. What you said was in itself correct but I think you should mention the whole story. Mismanagement by several administrations had contributed to the state the fund is in today. Also you didn't mention other programs such as Aid to Dependent Children have been added to the burden.
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Oct. 16th, 2007 08:33 pm (UTC)
Re: I am guessing you speak of Social Security?
Any politician who tackles this problem is going to have to make the public face some very unpopular truths. Thus long before he could make a change he would be voted out of office. I know and understand the problems of Social Security but I am also on Social Security so I am not eager to see the boat rocked. That doesn't mean I don't see the need for it. But, my survival instinct kicks in. LOL
Oct. 16th, 2007 08:17 pm (UTC)
On behalf of all the old guys here I would like very much to tell you that a sunnier outlook for us would be damn nice. LOL
Oct. 16th, 2007 09:14 pm (UTC)
Never have I come across
Never have I come across a more witty, kind, fun loving, handsome babe like you!
Oct. 16th, 2007 10:30 pm (UTC)
Re: Never have I come across
See! See! I just knew I was that secret guy you had the hots for.
Oct. 16th, 2007 08:27 pm (UTC)
People get the government they deserve.

But yeah... SS is a facade. And I'm glad I pay no money into it anymore. And I never will! :)
Oct. 16th, 2007 09:21 pm (UTC)
pension plan
I have no choice but to contribute to SS through my websites, but not to my regular real life job, because it has the pension plan for all its employees.

Each year, I make sure to buy an IRA.
Oct. 18th, 2007 04:03 am (UTC)
No one thinks SS is a bigger Ponzi scheme than me, but unless you've stopped working, you can't opt out of it. They will haul your ass to jail if you're working in this country and not paying into it.
Oct. 18th, 2007 05:31 pm (UTC)
I'm not an employee. I'm a business owner operating at a loss. So, there's no money to pay me at this time.

But this is only buying me time to get all my papers in order. As of right now, I am faced with two options. I can expatriate myself and go offshore which I'm already positioned for. (But that's not my idea of living as a freeman-on-the-land.) Or, I can file the correct documents to seperate myself from my strawman, copyright my strawman, and also file a UCC-1. The latter is what I'm currently working on understanding.

From what I've come to know, a SSN is tantamount to an EIN. Basically, a SSN is nothing more than an employee number. Your name in all caps is your corporation; i.e. your strawman. As a US citizen you are classified as an employee of the federal government; hence the number. Furthermore, the 14th Amendment gave the US government jurisdiction over all *persons* born or naturalized in the United States. It, however, did not give jurisdiction over the people. The people are sovereign and have always been sovereign. Therefore, the government is an agent of the people and as such cannot have a higher authority over the people.

So, once I disassociate myself from the strawman, then I can act as an agent for my strawman. And by filing the UCC-1 I can take everything out of the public and into the private. Thus, the government cannot touch or seize anything I own without my consent, otherwise those overseeing the seizure will be held commercially liable.

Also, even if my strawman owns anything, I'll be structured so that I am the creditor and my strawman is the debtor. So I'll have first claim (or lean) on all property owned by the strawman.

Furthermore, if they try to impose their jurisdiction upon me by threat of gun, then I'll just issue them a conditional acceptance, a notice of dishonor, and obtain a certificate of protest. And that will take away their commercial energy. Thus, they won't have any power to proceed, and they'll never bother me again.
Oct. 16th, 2007 08:35 pm (UTC)
Even worse - at the rate the system is failing, by the time you and I are 62 there's going to be nothing left. Livin' on Alpo and water in a shoebox for you final years, lest ye win Lotto or invest proper now. Ugh.
Oct. 16th, 2007 11:16 pm (UTC)
Forget Alpo, 'cuz by that time, we won't be able to afford the outrageous prices! I'm seriously gathering recipes to make hearty soup from weeds.
Oct. 16th, 2007 11:01 pm (UTC)
Everyone is basically right with what they have saiid so far but the problem is even bigger than anyone has said.

Not just those who put into SS can draw from it.
My Grandmother who never worked a day in her life outside the home drew on my grandfathers SS for three years.

Also dependent children can also pull on their poarents SS if the parent dies before the child is 18, or 21 if they continue to College.

NOW illeagle aliens are also pulling on the funds that they did not put one cent into. HOW they were able to get put on the roles, you can ask the socialists that are in Congress.

NOW for the worst part of it all,

All the SS money that has been collected from day one was NEVER places into a secure account. It was placed into the General Fund that every congressman REPUBLICAN and DEMOCRAT has dipped their fingers into to put pork into their states and districts. Our Social Security has gone to build Bridges, Librarys, sports arenas, anything that a congressman can build and put his name on.

It was never designed for that. In 1998 it was estimated that SS would be bankrupt in 2025 but since the first babyboomer went on SS the beginning of this month and 10,000 more babyboomers are also going on it every day, (these facts can be found in the Congressional record and the recent news) The funds will run out much quicker than estimated possibly as soon as 2015 or 2012 Or earlier if Hillary goes in. That stupid bitch wants to give everyone in the country $1000.00 to start a retirement account. She dropped the $5000.00 for each child.
Oct. 16th, 2007 11:04 pm (UTC)
One more thing
The government is not rich, we are in hock up to our asses to Japan, Chine, Russia and probably anopther dozen countries. Trillions of dollars in debt.
Oct. 17th, 2007 12:03 am (UTC)
hello, when did you get here? If I was more evil, I would get into this government scam myself.

Death and Taxes, the only certainties in life.
Oct. 17th, 2007 01:29 am (UTC)
Social Security is the world's most perfect Ponzi Scheme. Only those who were in it from the beginning are going to reap the benefits of it. I don't put into it, I have something called SURS and I'm starting a lot of small investments.With the state of the economy as it is, I'm actually looking at converting retirement savings into Euros and Canadian Loonies.

Who would have thought that the Canadian Dollar would be worth more than ours in our lifetime?
Oct. 17th, 2007 08:14 am (UTC)
You know many disabled people are on it. And would be in a pretty tough spot with out it, and they keep cutting back on the disabled all the time. Just so you know it is insurance, I paid into, and I am entitled to my benefits, like anyone that has paid there insurance is. It is to bad they have made everyone think it is some kind of gift and any one that is on it is freeloading. And making the young pay, we have all paid in to it too. it is not just for the old you know.
Oct. 17th, 2007 11:43 am (UTC)

Who the hell lives to be 62 to reap of what's dually theirs

Being 59 that's a scary thing to hear. I'm planning on living forever.
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