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Father Tased While Holding Infant

First of all, someone said I was DISGUSTING because of my last post on illegals, and deleted me. Oh well, so be it. And stuckhere dropped me, too, and without a word. I really feel hurt he did that, because I really liked him!

There's just NO excuse. I don't know all the circumstances, but even if the security guard believed the baby was being stolen, his foremost concern should have been to protect the welfare of that newborn infant. He should never have tased the dad, because he knew that in doing so, the baby WOULD be dropped, thus endangering the baby’s life.

What are your thoughts on this?

Father Tased While Holding Infant

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Aug. 15th, 2007 03:33 pm (UTC)
Savanah do not take it so hard when someone drops you just let it go, you have lots of LJ friends
I would rather have them drop me then just read and never comment my self

And I think tasers are a joke the people using them do not know how lethal they can be,
And I will have to read up more on this be for I say more
Aug. 15th, 2007 06:05 pm (UTC)
No, I'm not taking it hard at all. The first one who dropped me, is neither here nor there, unlike with the 2nd one who saddened me by doing so. With him, I'll always wonder what I did or said to offend him. BUT! I'll get over it soon enough. :o)

I don't mind at all if my LJ friend's don't comment. I'm sure they're busy or just don't know what to comment. I'm just grateful they still have me on their LJ's friends list.

I think using the lazer was a joke, too, a very deadly joke.

(no subject) - moon_shine - Aug. 15th, 2007 10:16 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - playgirl - Aug. 16th, 2007 12:22 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - moon_shine - Aug. 16th, 2007 05:56 am (UTC) - Expand
Aug. 15th, 2007 03:35 pm (UTC)
I think tasering should have been an absolute last resort in this situation.
Aug. 16th, 2007 12:12 am (UTC)
Aug. 15th, 2007 03:42 pm (UTC)
Some people just aren't very tolerant of other people's views. and aren't open minded enough to realize that other people can view things differently.
Aug. 16th, 2007 12:15 am (UTC)
True. With these type of people it's there way or no way!
Aug. 15th, 2007 03:55 pm (UTC)
Sounds like Boling is not the sharpest knife in the drawer but the question is: "How does one get a child away from someone who may or may not be the legal guardian of or may be endangering said child?"

I think the guard made a bad decision, but I am not sure what else the guard could have done. Remember to think about it from the point of view of the guards, who probably had limited information. It could be that the guards believed he was a guy stealing a baby.
Aug. 15th, 2007 11:52 pm (UTC)
If that had been MY newborn baby
Whether the guard assumed the baby was being kidnapped or not, he should never have tased the Dad. If that had been MY newborn baby, I would have much prefered it being kidnapped than falling, head first onto the hard cement floor, because of security guard who felt his own safety mattered more than that of of infant.

The Dad didn't have a weapon; he had his baby in his arms.
Aug. 15th, 2007 04:15 pm (UTC)
i agree!
Aug. 16th, 2007 12:17 am (UTC)
I'm pretty sure all of us who are female do. The safety of a baby is priority.
Aug. 15th, 2007 04:27 pm (UTC)
Allow me to be the asshole who plays devils advocate.

"Child Protective Services has custody of the baby because of a history of domestic violence between Lewis and his wife, Jacqueline Gray. Agency spokeswoman Estella Olguin said the infant does not appear to be suffering any health problems from the fall."

Being in the line of security requires quick thinking. Sometimes the little amount of time you have to protect people can affect proper judgement. Maybe it was known to the security guard that the father had a history of domestic violence? So lets put yourself in the shoes of the guard.

"No way am I going to let this asshole get away with this infant. Why, so he can beat the baby too?"

Was it smart tasing the guy with the infant? NO. But if you look at the setup it almost seems scripted for the guard in the darker uniform to catch the baby once blue tased the father. He just didn't pull through with the catch.

And as my quote from CPS stated, the child has no head trauma from the fall. It happens ALL THE TIME that families will try and sue when it looks like they 'got hurt' by another companies carelessness.

I would have liked to have gotten some audio on the vid. I'm a firm believer in talking people down before using physical force.... so I'd like to know what was said before the tasing occurred.

Oh well. The article states the child is fine. The security guard should still be reprimanded though.
Aug. 15th, 2007 11:17 pm (UTC)
I know for a fact that you would have reacted and handled the situation much differently, where your main concern would have been the safety of the baby.
(no subject) - uglyface2 - Aug. 16th, 2007 01:48 pm (UTC) - Expand
Aug. 15th, 2007 04:46 pm (UTC)
Tasing someone while they're holding a baby is bloody irresponsible on so many levels...

Also, regarding the person who thought you were disgusting... Their loss...
Aug. 15th, 2007 11:24 pm (UTC)
It's hard to believe that a man who is suppose to protect, was the cause of an infant falling down on its head!!

As for that guy, I'm surprised he reacted that way, because he says he's open-minded in his user info page.
(no subject) - ayoub - Aug. 16th, 2007 09:43 am (UTC) - Expand
Aug. 15th, 2007 05:22 pm (UTC)
I'd have to say the chance of harm to the child was probable, not possible, and he should have found other means to delay and detain.

again, we weren't there, hard to judge.
Aug. 15th, 2007 11:57 pm (UTC)
It's true that we weren't there, but lets not forget that the only thing the Dad had in both his arms was the baby. There was absolutely no reason why the guard would have felt threatened, and IF he did, then his concern was for his own life, and not of the baby. Can you imagine what would have happened if the taser had been a gun?!
(no subject) - warpedpuppy - Aug. 16th, 2007 03:44 am (UTC) - Expand
Aug. 15th, 2007 05:26 pm (UTC)
First of all, someone said I was DISGUSTING because of my last post on illegals, and deleted me. Oh well, so be it. And stuckhere dropped me, too, and without a word.

If they took these actions based on your last post on illegals, then I say it is no loss to you.

What you described in that post is very rude and is not acceptable in our society.
Aug. 16th, 2007 12:07 am (UTC)
threw me away like an old shoe
Stuckhere actually threw me away like an old leather shoe, about a week ago. Not only was I shocked, but I was heartbroken when he did. The person, who called me disgusting, is neither here nor there for me.

I know you agreed with me in that post, because you and I expect the same courtesy we proffer to others.
Aug. 15th, 2007 05:27 pm (UTC)
I think they called you "disgusting" because it seemed like yout took your frustrations out on that little girl. But, they obviously don't know you.


As for the taser...

I'm in shock! Where are the warnings? Why didn't they listen to the wife? According to lewis:

"My wife said `we want to leave' and then he just Tasered me," Lewis said. "He caused me to drop the child."

So who wasn't paying attention? I'm sorry, but I don't care if you're wearing a uniform; if you can't keep a level head during situations of conflict, then you shouldn't be involved in providing security FOR ANYONE. The fact that you volunteer to put your self on the line to protect others doesn't mean that when a conflict arrives that you get to lose your head.

Harm occured to that baby. And it came from the hospital, not the parents. The history of domestic violence between the wife and husband does NOT indemnify the hospital and the guard from their actions.

Aug. 16th, 2007 12:35 am (UTC)
Michael Jackson
I'm sure the little girl was tickled pink when I put my ice cream and chips in the dad’s basket! I mean, it could have been a bag of beans and a carton of chicken livers! Anyway, what kind of example is he giving her on common courtesy?

Can you imagine if this security guard had been on duty when Michael Jackson held his baby by the leg out on that balcony?!!! OMG!

Aug. 15th, 2007 06:28 pm (UTC)
I read the article yesterday - and here's what I think.

First of all, I think tasers are one of the most improperly used weapons and that law enforcement doesn't need them and shouldn't use them. I really only read about the abuse they're involved in over 90% of the time.

With a taser, nobody has to think about anything else. "It's not lethal!" (most of the time) they cry. So it becomes the cop-out of easy and lazy reaction instead of DOING something appropriate for the situation.

Authority figures are stupid. Authority figures with tasers are doubly stupid. Sorry if you're an authority figure. You'll get over it.

Back before a taser was a common item, cops/security/whatever had to just do their job and find other ways - violent or non-violent to remedy a situation. The thing you've got to ask is sans taser, how would or could they have handled it to the protection of the child, if not, at least, the aprehension of the father?

Apparently nobody knows. Because they just used the taser as a sucker punch, which in this situation, was the stupidest thing to do. Electricity, muscle failure, and infants aren't a good mix, and while I think the father may be looking to cash in with his complaints, I don't inherently trust the social workers' assertions that there's nothing wrong either.

Tense situations like this are going to be bad no matter how you slice it, but soliving it without a taser would have been step 1 in my book. Do your job, security - don't rely upon the stupid or easy answer that ends up fucking up the *right* answer.

Aug. 16th, 2007 03:16 am (UTC)
I watched the video again, and noticed that the security guard looked more like he spooked easily, and this type of a person with the authority to carry a weapon is extremely dangerous to the public.
(no subject) - photosexual - Aug. 16th, 2007 03:31 am (UTC) - Expand
Aug. 15th, 2007 06:43 pm (UTC)
well, you're not disgusting. Not by any means. You're lovely. I also admire your strength and your opinions. Those peeps just didn't appreciate you.
Aug. 16th, 2007 01:03 am (UTC)
I know I sometimes get out of hand; I'm a rebel.

Thank you Sweety Pie, for your very kind words. You have no idea what they meant to me.

Aug. 15th, 2007 07:06 pm (UTC)

I don't usually comment - because often there are plenty of comments echoing my own thoughts, worded better than I could manage. Just thought I'd let you know that I enjoy reading your journal and comments from others because I often DISAGREE with something you or another person has said. To me, that's the attraction of many of the discussions in your journal. To have someone shake my perception a little...if even only for a moment, is so much more interesting than a lot of homogenized opinions in synch with my own.

Aug. 16th, 2007 12:53 am (UTC)
That's the beauty of it
There have been many times when someone will tell me they don't agree with me on some given topic I've brought out. Sometimes they present their different views to me, and SOMETIMES, they are able to sway me into seeing things their way, and there are other times where I'm as stubborn as a mule!

I have encountered people in real life, where one must walk on egg shells. I have nothing to do with this type of person, because I walk on egg shells for nobody! I say it as it is, and I expect people to do like-wise with me.

What so many people can't understand is that we are all different, and we think differently on some, or many things. This fact is what makes our world so interesting. How horribly boring life would be if we all believed the exact same thing. If this were so, then we'd be robots.
Aug. 15th, 2007 07:06 pm (UTC)
Well I gotta say, I didn't totally agree with your opinions/post on the illegals, you have your right to your view as do I...:). I admire you for speaking your mind and not holding back!!

Now the Taser...I can only see that justified if the baby was in some sort of IMMEDIATE danger..e.g. he had a knife to it, but even then I would hesitate...and to me, from the video, that baby did not seem to be in immediate danger.
The dad does indeed sound like a major, grade A jerk, but nonetheless, that baby could have been seriously harmed by the guard's unnecessary actions..
Aug. 16th, 2007 01:22 am (UTC)
How small is the life of the person who
I found this quote some years ago, and I have no earthly idea who wrote it so I could credit him. Perhaps it was Kahlil Gibran. It is among my favorites because it says it all about those people who get all enraged, and all bent out of shape, because people’s opinions differ from theirs. I’ve noticed that people like these, have NO friends, because they throw them away just as soon as they say something they don’t like!

"How small is the life of the person who places
his hands between his face and the world,
seeing naught but the narrow lines of his hands!"

I admire people who come right out and tell me they don't agree with me. How in the world could I get angry with someone just because they see things differently from the way I do? MANY times, I've learned so much from these people; I may not agree with them, but they give me the opportunity of seeing that which I never saw before.

When that guy wrote in my prior post that I was disgusting, and that he had deleted me, I could have turned around and behaved in the same childish manner he did, by calling him names, but it isn't my style, plus nothing would have been gained. Instead, I replied by explaining to him exactly what I meant by that post. Now, he's history, and in a couple of days, he'll be forgotten forever. YAY!

I agree with you 100% about that trigger happy tazer guy. God forbid he ever gets a job with the Police Department!!
Aug. 15th, 2007 07:58 pm (UTC)
Well you know me, If I dropped someone just because I strongly disagreed with them I would have dropped a lot of people a long time ago.

I rather just call you out on it and have it out with you with both barrels. Some people aren't like that and rather just keep their froends list fuill of people who don't have their own diametric viewpoints. You have to respect them.

The first person made it a statement so yeah you could call them on it freely. But in my opinion if someone suddenly drops you off their list without saying anything, it's disrespectful to call them out in your LJ.
Stuckthere just dropped you for whatever reason. I think you should ask him/her persoanlly why, but not call that person out here in LJ for the sake of that person's privacy.

If for some rare reason I were to drop you, I'd hope you'd contact me personally for the reason and not announce it to everyone.

What do you think?
Aug. 15th, 2007 11:37 pm (UTC)
What about BOXING?
I would never, EVER drop you! You and I are as different as night and day, and that's what makes you so interesting to me. The question is, will you ever, EVER drop me! Besides, who else could I rave about BOXING...hmmm? :o)

Since my LJ life, I've had about 300 people drop me from like a hot potatoe from their FList, and I could have cared less about it. With Stuckthere, I really do care, and would like to ask him why he dropped me, but I'm afraid he'll only tell me to bug off!
Re: What about BOXING? - donchep - Aug. 16th, 2007 12:40 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: What about BOXING? - playgirl - Aug. 16th, 2007 03:05 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: What about BOXING? - donchep - Aug. 17th, 2007 04:38 am (UTC) - Expand
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