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I fully realize it's a personal choice (thank God) whether we choose to join the military or not. Out of my 4 brothers and myself, I and one brother joined the U.S. Army. This doesn't mean my other 3 brothers were cowards, because THEY ARE NOT, just as all who have chosen not to ARE NOT! I enlisted for love of my country, but to be completely honest, the biggest factor in my decision was because I was out in the streets without a penny to piss on, and without an education!

We all have a right to support, or not support this war in Iraq, but what enrages me is these political right-wing WARMONGERS, and people like Bill O'Reilly, who have ALL their children safely at home (STATES) like snuggly bugs in a rug!

NOW! On with my some RANTS and RAVES!

I would like to know how many of the sons and daughters of these warmonger politicians are serving in Iraq, because it angers me to no end when I hear them ranting and raving that this war must go on and if anyone is against this war, then they're UNAMERICAN! It sure as hell is easy to make insulting accusations when they know full well that their kids are safe and sound in the States, preparing for a bright and profitable future, while all parents who have kids over there, are being blown to pieces!! I'd also like to know how many of this new breed of politicians actually served in the military, and how many of them actually have kids in Iraq

If it's UNAMERICAN because I want ALL of our soldiers back home safely, including MY beloved brother from Iraq, then call me UNAMERICAN!

I applaud Rachel Griffiths, who is an anti-war activist and a member of the "Quad City Progressive Action for the Common Good", and who also has a brother in Iraq, for having the balls to ask Mitt Romney, one of the MANY hypocritical and cowardly right-wingers who support the war, and who NEVER served in Vietnam because of his Mormon missionary work, how many of his FIVE sons are were serving in the U.S. military. Griffiths continued by saying that if none of them were, would they eventually enlist in the U.S. military to help win the war on terror?

Mitt Romney obviously disturbed by her contemptible question, indignantly replied:

"One of the ways my sons are showing support for our nation is helping me get elected because they think I'd be a great president."

Watch the actual Youtube Video below:


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Aug. 9th, 2007 09:49 pm (UTC)
John McCain was a POW in Nam. His son is a marine in Iraq. He won't get my support in the election due to other issues, but his staunch support for the war is backed up by his own and his family's service.

In my opinion Romney's children shouldn't be required to join for him to support the war. However, his answer to the question was moronic. Can't support him either.

And I support the war. In fact my idea of a surge is to send 1,000,000 soldiers, every gun, plane, tank, and enough barbed wire to imprisson a few million people. Overwhelm and dissarm the enemy = win.

I thank you for your service. Getting ahead in life while serving your country is respectible.
Aug. 10th, 2007 01:07 am (UTC)
Support TWAT!!!!

That's em The War Against Terrorism T.W.A.T.
(no subject) - typewriterking - Aug. 10th, 2007 04:58 am (UTC) - Expand
Aug. 9th, 2007 10:26 pm (UTC)
Well I cannot say much for his return on the question... and as for his niece and nephew movibng into a posh residential area where some group had the power to dictate what you do with yopur own property is mors neuvi riche bull crap, like who cares??

I too support the war, My nephew just recently returned from his third tour, and I will never turn away from supporting him, the job he did and all the others he served with who did a similar job, wether they came home in a body bag or not. I will always support the Military and thye jobs they are sent to do. No matter What... I will not allow them to come home to the kind of receptions I faced when I returned from Vietnam, or the BS that was going on here while I was over there.

Now, I wish we had never gone back over there after Daddy Bush screwed up the first venture into the sand box. Most everything that needed to be done could have been done with a good ammount of high explosives from 35,000 feet. AND, lets not forget Billy Clintons screw up by not taking Osama when Yemen offered him to us....

Whoever steps across the door jam at the whitehouse next, lets hope he has some major league Balls, and knows how to use them and not play games with a bunch of pissants in a sand box.

You are right though it would be nice for all our troops to be home again...let the world police themselves and when our troops deploy they deploy to the Mexican border or the Canadian border.
Aug. 9th, 2007 11:15 pm (UTC)
Eh... the world has become dependent on our "policing". It provides safety to trade and market control. Thus, economical stability.

We're seen as vulgar, cocky, and disrepectful.
(no subject) - typewriterking - Aug. 10th, 2007 05:01 am (UTC) - Expand
Aug. 9th, 2007 11:07 pm (UTC)
See... I would love to be face to face with Bush, and have him call me Un-America because I don't support his solution for our perceived dependency on controling the trade of oil for world economical dominance (i.e. the "War"). That way, I can turn to him and look him dead in the eye and say, "Little man, acting all big and tough, you better watch what you say before I show your fake Texan ass exactly what it means to be an American. And this is coming from a real Texan. Us real Texans don't take kindly to your blatant disrespect for the law, your threats, and that amount of bullshit that comes out your mouth. I don't think a heard of cattle [in their lifetime] unload the amount of bullshit you do in one sittin'. It would do you good to remember that there are more of us than you, and we'll tell you what's American and what isn't."

As for Romney, LOL! I have to give him a point for dodging that bullet because he can't answer that question with a postive note since the War on Terror has no humanitarian efforts. It's all about bringing the NWO to the Middle East. So yeah, the best way for his family to do that is to help him become president. Their only alternative is to sign up for duty. Lol... and we all know that's not going to happen. They have money which opens many doors, so they don't need to serve. The needy are the ones who are always sent to war. They're the ones willing to risk their lives for prosperity. But he handled that beautifully. If we're electing our presidents these days by the way they can spin bullshit, Romney is a great candidate.

But there are a few who would serve because they truly believe this war is the only way. I think McCain is one of those. McCain has a well rehearsed campaign but I don't think he can think on his feet like that.
Aug. 9th, 2007 11:45 pm (UTC)
I'm totally with you on this.
I would get pissed back in the Gulf War when people would wave flags and yellow ribbons screaming about "supporting the troops" to counter-protest my war protesting. the troops were MY CHILDHOOD FRIENDS and I didnt want them throwing their lives away for some lying bastard to make a profit.

I found all of these links when I was looking for something else, but they are interesting, especially in relation to each other and what i was looking for.
what I was looking for was footage from a show I saw a while back where the head of the CIA in Afghanistan (I dont recall his name) was stating on camera that he repeatedly sent requests to Washington for large numbers of U.S. troops for the Tora Bora assault. instead, there were only a couple dozen special forces guys backing up Afghan warlord mercenaries. he said there were more western journalists around there than U.S. troops. this is while the U.S. was already militarily occupying Afghanistan.







you never see the press mention that Bin Laden hates the Ba'ath party and criticized Saddam H. because it's a secular government. Bin Laden's crew is out to create Islamic governments ruled by their interpretation of the Koran... like the government Iran has. Saddam was at war with Iran for years because of his fear of Islamic revolutionaries. Saddam would make a show of being a Muslim, like Bush makes a show of being a Christian... but the Ba'ath party is secular, not religious. when he slaughtered "his own people" it was anyone who was a threat to his government, such as Islamic fundamentalists or Kurdish separatists. he didnt just randomly attack "his own people". not saying it's a good thing or something I support... I'm just saying there was a logical reason and it was people like Al Queda that he was killing.

so my point is that these people made up the evidence to tell the world Saddam had WMDs, and pushed to attack the already devastated country of Iraq on the pretext (publicly) that Iraq was linked to Al Queda and had WMDs.

and now these shits are pouring our tax money from the government and into their own pockets via their corporations... while putting U.S. troops into a meatgrinder and lying to them about the cause.
Re: PS - p0stmdrnpr1mt1v - Aug. 12th, 2007 03:26 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: PS - playgirl - Aug. 15th, 2007 01:23 pm (UTC) - Expand
Aug. 10th, 2007 12:08 am (UTC)
When you get political, you get un-fun to read. It's like the worst the political blogs have to offer, all in one place.

The answer Romney should have given was, "You'll have to ask my kids what their plans are. See, we have a volunteer army. If joining is what my children decide to do, then that's what they'll do. I have no business volunteering them, and quite frankly, neither do you."
Aug. 10th, 2007 04:22 pm (UTC)
When you get political, you get un-fun to read. It's like the worst the political blogs have to offer, all in one place.

Pssht! That's actually the best stuff here. If it wasn't for the politics, I prolly wouldn't troll this forum (if I can call it that). There's a lot of good opinions in here.
(no subject) - playgirl - Aug. 15th, 2007 01:27 pm (UTC) - Expand
Aug. 10th, 2007 01:44 am (UTC)
Well, that answer is definitely a political one, and not a very smart one political or no. I don't like Romney.

It's not right to accuse anyone of being "unAmerican" for taking a position one way or the other regarding Iraq. I'm definitely a conservative, but I do concede that more from the Right than the Left think by being loud and over the top it means they're automatically correct--at least the Right in the media, which is all about ratings.

But really, I don't think having children over there should be the end all/be all. I see that as akin to when people tell men they cannot properly oppose abortion, or telling a person they cannot oppose the death penalty if they have never had a family member murdered.

It also reminds me of when people gripe about unmarried priests offering marriage advice. I point out that few doctors and other specialists have personally experienced the field in which they are known for. E.g. Johnny Cochran never committed murder (that we know of :-)

Certainly, it does bring the issue closer to home, but that is not always a good thing. If I ever have a wife or daughter or loved one who raped or killed, I honestly cannot say that if I came face to face with the villain I would not kill them.

BUT IT WOULD BE WRONG--and that's why their fate would not be up to me.

Romney did have a good point about a volunteer army. Those who join should be aware of the risks, and the parents should respect their decision--and not let it necessarily dissuade them from acting on their convictions.

But should their beliefs change as a result of them tasting how bitter the subject can be first hand, then they are indeed hypocrites, and not serving their country well.
Aug. 10th, 2007 01:53 am (UTC)
I like that pic!
Aug. 15th, 2007 02:01 pm (UTC)
Re: P.S.
It's one of my favorites. Everytime I visit a cemetery, I wait for him. Wonder how I'll react when I finally do see him! :o)
Aug. 10th, 2007 03:53 am (UTC)
the credence clearwater revival song "fortunate one" comes to mind in regards to the iraq conflict and how the most of the ones behind it don't have their own kids over there.
Aug. 15th, 2007 01:34 pm (UTC)
I had never heard of that song. I just now looked up the lyrics, and I can see how it reminds you this war in Iraq.

Aug. 10th, 2007 04:29 am (UTC)
if anyone is against this war, then they're UNAMERICAN!
I didn't hear that in your YouTube presentation. It must have been on another one. Can you find that one for us?
Aug. 10th, 2007 05:18 am (UTC)
Re: if anyone is against this war, then they're UNAMERICAN!
404, Video Not Found, for the win.
Re: Anyway, O'Reilly is well known for - justgoto - Aug. 16th, 2007 04:53 am (UTC) - Expand
Aug. 10th, 2007 04:36 am (UTC)
I was impressed that he didn't duck the question. I feel like too often the sins of the son are visited on the father and just as often the sins of the father are visited on the son. You can not be responsible for what your brothers do or don't do, nor should you be. You are responsible for yourself for keeping your word to others and for living up to your promises. The kindness you show those poor children and those stray cats are the glory of your personality and not that of your parents or brothers. I am sure each of them have their own things that make them special. I do wonder though if Bill O Reilly had children in Iraq if he would be singing the same song. Most of what bothers me about him is he leaves me with the feeling that he is doing this to maintain his fame not from any real conviction in his heart. If that is the case he is worse than misguided he is using the deaths of our young men and women in the military to line his pockets with money. Oh where is my picture you promised me? LOL
Aug. 15th, 2007 01:20 pm (UTC)
I put the pic, along with my email in that place. You know where. Let me know you got it.

HuggEE's and KissEE's, and LovEE's!
Aug. 10th, 2007 06:11 am (UTC)
We all have a right to support, or not support this war in Iraq, but what enrages me is these political right-wing WARMONGERS, and people like Bill O'Reilly, who have ALL their children safely at home (STATES) like snuggly bugs in a rug!

I've always had issues with this particular argument. The military is volunteer only. Bottom line. Asking a politician why his ADULT children aren't in the military has zero validity until there's a draft. Once they can be shown to have used political influence to get their children out of serving then it's a bullet. But until then, it's a non-issue.

Asshat reporter: Mr. Politican, why aren't your kids serving in Iraq?
Politican Hack: um....cause there's no draft and they didn't join.
Aug. 10th, 2007 03:58 pm (UTC)
You're right. No one forced them to sign up. But the basis of the arguement is that just because they signed up doesn't mean they're an expendable asset. However, that's what they're being treated like. In essence, human lives are being traded for economical gain and control. And since the majority of the soldiers come from low income families, it's safe to say that they signed up because of their own economical position. So the question posed to representatives with such remarks is, "Would you treat your own children like this?" Of course they wouldn't. And their children won't choose service in the military because it's not for them. They're part of the "elite". Just look at all the military ads. Their target market is low income and middle class families. "Join the military for college money." And so on.

And come to think of it, it's sad irony. They, in essence, signed up to get a better economical position, but instead they die for someone elses business interests.
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Aug. 10th, 2007 08:50 am (UTC)
It just shows that all his talk serves only one purpose... To make people support him out of patriotic duty...
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