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"To disarm the people... was the best and
most effectual way to enslave them."
- George Mason, speech of June 14, 1788

1. Is he for (dumb) real?
Who is the dumbest president this country has ever had?
Who is the 2nd dumbest president this country has ever had?

2. Does he really have a drinking problem?
3. Is "flipping a birdie" befitting the President of the U.S.?

4. Did he really serve in the military?

Optional: Thoughts on this man please.


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Aug. 8th, 2007 04:46 pm (UTC)
It's just terrifying...

Truly terrifying...
Aug. 8th, 2007 08:48 pm (UTC)
I think so, too.

And to think this man has been running our world for years! SPOOKY!
Aug. 8th, 2007 09:35 pm (UTC)
In the words of Linkin Park:

For a leader so nervous in an obvious way
Stuttering and mumbling for nightly news to replay

And the rest of the world watching at the end of the day
In their living room laughing like "what did he say?"
Aug. 8th, 2007 05:08 pm (UTC)
Good morning Sunshine you already know how I feel on this one:)
I Love you sweetie!
Aug. 8th, 2007 08:49 pm (UTC)
I know Sweety Pie. :o)
Aug. 9th, 2007 04:58 am (UTC)
Only 531 days left ;o)))
Thursday, August 8, 2007: Only 531 days left until Bush is gone and you know what that means Savanah ;o) heheeee... I just thought of what you told me LOL Wink Wink and I do not want you to show me some plant either ;o))))) I want the real thing =o) hehe
Sending a smile your way! :o)
Aug. 8th, 2007 06:39 pm (UTC)
So smarty
Ooh, here's one I think I'd like to talk a lot about.

First things first, everybody should read this:


It talks about a well known hoax that came about after President Bush was first elected. The hoax stated that Bush had the lowest IQ of any president in over a half century.

Measuring intelligence is always a tricky subject--especially for someone who's every move and word is being recorded.

A good place to start might be education. 14 U.S. Presidents attended post-grad schools, but about half of these did not finish. Rutherford Hayes is the only one to have graduated from Harvard Law School--a more prestigious school than the University of Cincinatti School of Law, which gave future Pres W.H. Taft his J.D. Both were one term presidents with historians divided about their effectiveness. Most people seem to remember Taft for his weight more than anything he did in the White House. But it was Taft who later became Chief Justice of the Supreme Court for nearly a decade. Even though I don't agree with all his decisions, it's clear he was no slouch.

But more to the point, nearly everyone agrees that a smarter man than both of them is Abraham Lincoln--who did not even receive a HIGH SCHOOL education, let alone a college or a law school one. He was a self educated lawyer, and a damn smart man.

So education does not always indicate a man's intelligence (and anyway, President Bush does have an MBA from Harvard).
Aug. 8th, 2007 06:46 pm (UTC)
Talkin Smart
I used to work with an older gentleman from England. He had been a working class fellow his whole life, and I think the only post-high school education he had was a little bit of schooling at a trade school over in England in the late 50s. He loved to read, and was a sharp man (as much as I hate to admit it). But he had the most refined, dignified voice I had just about ever heard. Anyone talking to him would have easily thought he was a professor somewhere.

Conversely, William Faulkner had such a heavy southern accent that the audience could barely understand him when he accepted his Nobel Prize for literature. Truman Capote was a brilliant writer, but his high screechy voice sounded comical to most who heard it.

We all have stereotypes and a big one in the U.S. is that southern = dumb. Before talking about WHAT is being said, I just wanted to point out that HOW a person says it makes a difference. There is a common tendency to assume that b/c a person speaks a certain way they must be smart/dumb/educated/ignorant/etc. It's the same kind of fallacy people commit when they hear someone like, say Hugh Laurie, a Brit, speaking with an American accent and thinking he must be American (or vice-versa).
Aug. 8th, 2007 07:13 pm (UTC)
Re: Talkin Smart
hummm, Bill Clinton has a Southern Accent and I don't recall him being called dumb/stupid when he was president......he was called a few other things though....LOL
Aug. 8th, 2007 08:00 pm (UTC)
Re: Talkin Smart
I disagree that he was never mocked for his southern drawl. How many times was it parodied? When people make fun of Dan Quayle for his intelligence (or lack thereof, whatever) I don't normally have them parody his voice.
Aug. 8th, 2007 08:35 pm (UTC)
Re: Talkin Smart
Actually , what I find most interesting is that a man who was born on the east coast and spent his formative years in boarding schools and college on the east coast has such an affected Texan speech pattern.

And I don't know if they're making fun of a southern voice so much as the President's persistent self-characterization as a good old boy despite the obvious contrary upbringing.
Aug. 9th, 2007 03:00 pm (UTC)
Re: Talkin Smart
Hey, I agree with you there about him cultivating that image of the good ol' boy. Do you think that was a big hit in 2000 b/c people felt they could trust a "hick" as being honest?
Aug. 8th, 2007 09:02 pm (UTC)
Re: Talkin Smart
I didn't say he was not mocked, I just don't recall him ever being called less intelligent....

I think that every president in my lifetime has been parodied....in fact even before, I have an old LP that is nothing but parodies on JFK's speeches...he for damm sure did not have southern accent......

ANd Reagan...."Nancy...." bla bla bla

The fact that they parody his voice has nothing to do with a judgement of intelligence. IMHO
Aug. 8th, 2007 08:41 pm (UTC)
Re: Talkin Smart
Funny you should bring out President Taft. I made a post in a community about reading somewhere that he'd gotten stuck in the White House bathtub because he was so fat, and he had to be pull literally pulled out. What a pity I know nothing else about him, aside that he got stuck in a bathtub! Heh heh

I have no idea who said this, "Manhood, not scholarship, is the first aim of education," but I believe it's often times true. I've have the privilege of meeting many men who were highly educated, but the one who continues to stand out in my mind to this day, is a friend of my whom sadly passed away. He only went as far as high school, but there was nothing he didn't know, because he was constantly reading. It didn't matter who he confronted, whether it was a doctor, lawyer, priest, a general in the Army, or a rocket scientist, he could converse knowledge wise on their level. He never failed leaving me in awe. He kind of reminds me of you, and ALL of my LJ friends! :o)

Oh, and for Bush, I still believe he leaves much to be desired as a scholar, and a gentleman. All one has to do is look at the situation in Iraq to find the man never knew shit from Shinola.
Aug. 8th, 2007 09:56 pm (UTC)
That was hilarious!
1. Is he for (dumb) real?

No, he's not dumb. He's human. And he puts on a mask for the cameras. What you see on the news is nothing but a show. It's all a facade.

1.1) Who is the dumbest president this country has ever had?

I am not completely familiar with all the presidents, so for now I'll go with Nixon because he got caught doing criminal acts, and he taped EVERYTHING.

1.2) Who is the 2nd dumbest president this country has ever had?

And then maybe William Henry Harrison for running for office at such an old age and then dying thirty-one days into his term. (Assuming he wasn't assassinated.)

2. Does he really have a drinking problem?
I think it was a comment made to set grounds for the joke. In my opinion, he does fine. Not that I agree with what he's doing, but he's handling things and carrying out *his* agenda in *his* government.

3. Is "flipping a birdie" befitting the President of the U.S.?
No, not really, but a sense of humor never hurt anyone. However, he's a joke himself. Though, he is clever as well. After all, he does a good job duping the American people.

4. Did he really serve in the military?
National Guard I think? But I'm sure he got special treatment so to speak.

Aug. 9th, 2007 07:17 pm (UTC)
Re: That was hilarious!
I believe Nixon is considered among our most intelligent presidents. I also believe China seemed to like him a lot. The problem with him was, he was corrupt.

Aug. 9th, 2007 09:05 pm (UTC)
Re: That was hilarious!
Actually, I think a lot of credit for Nixion's success in foreign policy can be given to Kissinger. But regardless of that, he's still the only president who was sloppy enough to expose the corruption within our government. He's the only president who resigned due to incompetence so to speak. Of course, he was smart enough to resign to keep the lid on things, but he was still too incompetent to handle the heat of the office. There isn't a single president within the last century who hasn't done questionable operations. He's just the only one who allowed things to get away from him -- i.e. out of his hands.

Aug. 10th, 2007 01:46 am (UTC)
Re: That was hilarious!
I have to agree with you here. He's not an idiot, he just plays one on TV.

Personally, I think the guy is some kind of evil genius who has spent a lifetime perfecting this dumb, bumbling, good ol' boy clown act so that no one suspects he is doing anything sinister.
Aug. 10th, 2007 01:47 am (UTC)
Re: That was hilarious!
That was my comment, by the way. Maybe I should actually sign in once in a while...
Aug. 10th, 2007 02:47 am (UTC)
Re: That was hilarious!
Hehe... I do that too.

I have to agree with you here. He's not an idiot, he just plays one on TV.

Personally, I think the guy is some kind of evil genius who has spent a lifetime perfecting this dumb, bumbling, good ol' boy clown act so that no one suspects he is doing anything sinister.

Lol, Who knows... maybe he's trying to imitate the Duke? Or some other cowboy hero that he idolized growing up? Westerns were big back then.

Aug. 8th, 2007 11:58 pm (UTC)
as far as being clueless and greedy, GWB lay win..

as for being the most evil president, I nominate Andrew Jackson, there used to be natives east of the Mississipi river before he started up a trail of tears.

Genocidal Maniac on the 20$ bill wins!

Aug. 9th, 2007 03:08 am (UTC)
I'm always amazed at the folks who call Bush an idiot are often the same folks who get offended by intolerance.

That's some high level hypocrisy at work:)
Aug. 9th, 2007 07:10 pm (UTC)
By what I've seen of the man, he comes close.

Right after 911, I had the greatest respect and reguard toward the man. I was fooled.
Aug. 9th, 2007 11:39 pm (UTC)
I dare anyone to have as many cameras stuck in front of them as this man has and never make a mistake or mispronounce a word. Anyone can cut phrases out of speeches amd make them sound silly as well. Look at the entire news conference and see why certain words are used... or why he might be speaking in a way... A lot of these are probably taken from off camera talks and jokes that he did with the Press before a conference. this is why sound bites are never taken seriously. If someone wanted to they could have made a hilarious one with Clinton sound bites or even more hilarious one of Hillary...

Should a President flip some one a bird? well that depends on who he is flipping off. The Press, YES, Vladimere Putin, provbably not.

And YES he was in the Texas Air Guard. He was a Pilot, that is how he was able to land a FA-18 onboard a Carrier.

Is he the best we have had NO not even close BUT he is a damn site better than what we had to choose from... Just my thoughts.
Aug. 11th, 2007 11:39 pm (UTC)
Totally off topic
This was shared with me and as I watched it I thought of no one else but you. I know that You share my love of the beauty that is this wonderful world of ours that God has given us and the creatures that He has allowed us to share His world with.


Enjoy my sweet friend.
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