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Did Mr. Rogers Destroy An Entire Generation?

[info]duoraven recently bumped into something I found very interesting. He was curious as to how all of us felt about the sudden allegations against poor Mr. Rogers. He said he remembered me immediately when he saw it.

"Fox News hosts initially got a laugh out of recent allegations by a professor at Louisiana State University that tv personality Mr. Rogers produced a generation of kids who believe that "you're special just for being who you are" and therefore feel no need to work hard." Work?...Hmmm... I wonder why [info]duoraven remembered me?! heh heh

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Jul. 16th, 2007 10:41 pm (UTC)
I heard this on the Wall Street Journal radio show (yes - so exciting to ride to work with me). Based on the information I heard it is complete bull. Mr. Rogers show/teachings/sayings pre-date the generation allegedly impacted. He did not have this impact on my generation so why would you blame him for the next generation.

I feel that there are many causes of the "entitlement" mentality of today. Parents who don't say NO. Parents with lax punishment skills. Government programs. Hollywood and television. The lack of financial education and "EZ Financing". The list goes on.

To put this on Mr. Rogers is like saying Captian Kangroo started the global warming movement with that Mr. "GREEN" Jeans guy when we all know it was Al Gore's invention immediately after he invented the internet.
Jul. 17th, 2007 04:51 pm (UTC)
Some have stated they agree with you about "parents who don't say NO." I agree with you, also.
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Jul. 17th, 2007 04:08 am (UTC)
You put it quite well. I couldn't agree more.

backfired - playgirl - Jul. 17th, 2007 04:18 pm (UTC) - Expand
Jul. 16th, 2007 11:28 pm (UTC)
I had a rant prepared for some similar type of instance but forgot how it goes exactly. General idea is that if a half an hour of tv show a couple of times a week managed to overcome all the other socializing factors in their lives, then something is much more wrong with all those other socializing factors than that one half hour tv show. Namely, the things taught by parents, family, schools, etc should have much more of an affect on children that a tv show, no matter what it teaches, has none on the life of a generation of children. Hell, if it was that important, so much that it overcame all the other tv shows they ever watched, then I'm surprised modern tv isn't based on it also. As it is, I suspect most people barely remember it and at the age they did watch it, probably couldn't form enough of a self identity to decide they didn't have to work because their special even if that was what the show did teach.
Jul. 17th, 2007 12:13 am (UTC)
These allegations are pure gibberish. Mr. Rogers was clearly heavily influential towards those who watched his show, but an earlier commenter noted that the heavier influence by far is Parents who don't say NO and over-entitlement. Nor would I throw even a part of the blame onto a TV show, even a deeply influential one. The immediate environment in which this generation grew up, parents, schools, and the general cultural bent-THESE are to blame for that.
Jul. 17th, 2007 04:34 pm (UTC)
ruins of another's fame
I will reply to your comment with a quote that I found:

"I hate the man who builds his name on ruins of another's fame."
- John Gay
Jul. 17th, 2007 12:15 am (UTC)
That's bullshit! Grades are given like rewards and punishment in school. If you get an 'A', then you're considered a good kid. If you get anything less, then you're less than "perfect". In other words, a child's self-worth is based upon his/her production of certain behaviors and thinking -- nothing more, nothing less. Hence the comparison between labor production and education within the news broadcast itself. It's not about education, it's about training. i.e. The same way one trains a dog using punishment and rewards.

Why condem a child who thinks for him/her-self and determines his/her own self-worth? Why does one have to prove his/her self-worth to others in order to be valued within this society?

Are we not all equal? Or do our professional titles determine right of rule over others? In other words, do those who get A's in school have righteous authority over those who get C's?

For those who are religious or believe in God...

2 Peter 1:17
For he received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."

I guess we should not be pleased with our sons and daughters unless they produce according to those self appointed, self-righteous rulers who think they know best for mankind. I guess we should not be pleased with our brothers and sisters unless they produce according to those who think they have authority over others.

I'm sorry, but that value of my life and the value of the life of others is not based upon one's production.

Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called sons of God.
Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Jul. 17th, 2007 12:45 am (UTC)
Boy you must cut and paste alot?
(no subject) - tigron_x - Jul. 17th, 2007 01:35 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - moon_shine - Jul. 17th, 2007 07:32 am (UTC) - Expand
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(no subject) - moon_shine - Jul. 22nd, 2007 07:48 pm (UTC) - Expand
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Let the little children come to me - playgirl - Jul. 17th, 2007 02:34 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: Let the little children come to me - tigron_x - Jul. 17th, 2007 03:06 am (UTC) - Expand
Confused - duoraven - Jul. 18th, 2007 05:16 pm (UTC) - Expand
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Jul. 17th, 2007 12:18 am (UTC)
It's such a good feeling to know you're alive.
It's such a happy feeling: You're growing inside.
And when you wake up ready to say,
"I think I'll make a snappy new day."
It's such a good feeling, a very good feeling,
The feeling you know that we're friends.

Yeah only an asshole with no thoughts for our kids would write such a song. Am I the only one who remeber that ALL of MR. Roger's NEIGHBORS were workign people???

Chef Sprocket, The Music Guy who doubled as a handyman in the land of make believe. Linda Aberlin had a studio of some sort. And Speedy Delivery McPheely.

I never got an impression of entitlement. I got a feeling of a community with people who had a strong work ethic.

I always assumed Mr Rogers was coming home from work when he switched out of his coat and into sweater and changed loafers for canvas deck shoes.

Jul. 18th, 2007 05:17 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I agree. I always understood him to be coming home from work.
Jul. 17th, 2007 12:39 am (UTC)

OK SO I have a One tracked mind LOL Love YA!!!! :o)
Jul. 17th, 2007 02:13 am (UTC)
Yemen Honey Pie
OMG! That is just too sweet!

Love ya too, my little Yemen Honey Pie! :o)
Re: Yemen Honey Pie - moon_shine3 - Jul. 17th, 2007 07:24 am (UTC) - Expand
Jul. 17th, 2007 12:57 am (UTC)
No one has been able to sport a sweater like he could, since he died.
Jul. 17th, 2007 03:33 am (UTC)
Or loafers!
(no subject) - donchep - Jul. 17th, 2007 02:36 pm (UTC) - Expand
Mr. Rogers Talks to the US Senate - playgirl - Jul. 17th, 2007 04:06 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: Mr. Rogers Talks to the US Senate - tigron_x - Jul. 17th, 2007 07:54 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: Mr. Rogers Talks to the US Senate - playgirl - Jul. 17th, 2007 11:01 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: Mr. Rogers Talks to the US Senate - tigron_x - Jul. 18th, 2007 12:06 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: Mr. Rogers Talks to the US Senate - playgirl - Jul. 18th, 2007 03:37 am (UTC) - Expand
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Jul. 17th, 2007 01:23 am (UTC)
I think that prf needs some education on hard work himself...sounds like he has too much time on his hands....BULLSHIT
Jul. 18th, 2007 03:49 am (UTC)
I think that professor's kids turned out lazy and spoiled rotton, and won't accept responsibility for his own failure as a parent, so he has to blame some poor innocent person like Mr. Rogers!
(no subject) - harley1456 - Jul. 18th, 2007 10:48 am (UTC) - Expand
Jul. 17th, 2007 02:00 am (UTC)
I am special...stop destroying me!!!!

Jul. 17th, 2007 02:05 am (UTC)
I'm special
I'm special 'cuz my Mama told me so! :o)
Jul. 17th, 2007 02:10 am (UTC)
It's pretty much BS like many have said...I remember that show some, to me it was always kinda boring..sorry...hehe...but a lot of other issues besides Mr. Rogers have influenced kids ina negative way. He certainly was not one of them.
Jul. 18th, 2007 03:46 am (UTC)
I'm a little suspicious about that professor. Perhaps his kids turn out lazy, and he now finds he must put the blame on someone else.

Oh well, just a thought.
Jul. 17th, 2007 04:47 am (UTC)
I'm one of the Mr. Rogers generation, and when I was a kid watching his show, I was never smart enough in my single digit years to take what he said and turn it into an excuse for a slack lifestyle or under-achievement. I honed those qualities for myself over the teen years to become the proud slacker I am today. Fred didn't have anything to do with it.
Jul. 18th, 2007 03:39 am (UTC)
Well, with or without Mr. Rogers, you sure turned out right! :o)
Jul. 17th, 2007 02:08 pm (UTC)
It's not Mr. Rogers fault. He would say it during a short TV show as a means of positive affirmation.

It is the fault of the parents who repeatedly set rules for their children, then let the children get away with breaking those rules, then told the children how special they are.

The message give to the children by their parents was that they don't have to follow the rules because they are so special.
Jul. 17th, 2007 05:04 pm (UTC)
It's the inconsistency
You're right, Dave. It's the inconsistency of parents disciplining their kids, and the fact they've learned to not accept the word NO.
Jul. 17th, 2007 02:42 pm (UTC)
Not done with this topic. But I won't let people drag his good name down. He deserves that much.

You are my friend
You are special
You are my friend
You're special to me.
You are the only one like you.
Like you, my friend, I like you.

In the daytime
In the nighttime
Any time that you feel's the right time
For a friendship with me, you see
F-R-I-E-N-D special
You are my friend
You're special to me.
There's only one in this wonderful world
You are special.

This is the basis of the entire argument. If you can see the professor's point of view from this, please explain.
Jul. 17th, 2007 04:47 pm (UTC)
The worthiest people are the most injured
Justice always prevails. Sometimes it takes someone dragging a person's good name through the mud in order for all to fully realize just how special and wonderful that slandered person was.

"The worthiest people are the most injured by slander, as is the best fruit which the birds have been pecking at."
- Jonathan Swift

Jul. 17th, 2007 04:27 pm (UTC)
i wish being "special" would pay my bills. boo! =(
Jul. 17th, 2007 05:08 pm (UTC)
owing so many bills
Oh, but we ARE special! Not too many people can get a way with owing so many bills! heee
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