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Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger's
Message to Latino Immigrants



Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger said that if Latino immigrants want to learn
English faster, they should “turn off the Spanish television set,” and I agree!

Do you agree or disagree? Why?


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fourcorners
Jun. 15th, 2007 09:38 pm (UTC)
Makes sense to me. I think this is the case for every non-English speaking person who wishes to learn English faster. If I wanted to learn Spanish, I'd start watching Spanish tv
playgirl
Jun. 15th, 2007 11:58 pm (UTC)
A lot of people are very angry with Arnold Schwarzenegger for saying those things, and they shouldn't because he only meant well, plus he spoke the truth.
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adameros
Jun. 15th, 2007 09:44 pm (UTC)
I agree, but it might be more realistic is the women on English channels starts dressing like the women on the Spanish ones. ;)
playgirl
Jun. 16th, 2007 12:01 am (UTC)
So you've seen the women who give the Spanish news, huh? A lot of people have no idea just how beautiful latina women are! I'll eventually start posting pictures of them so they'll see for themselves! :o)
donchep
Jun. 15th, 2007 09:47 pm (UTC)
Fuck him,

My mom speaks better English than he does and she watches her novelas every weeknight. Jorge Ramos is an anchor on Univision News and speaks better English than Arnold. So does Cristina Saralegui, etc.

Arnold es un pendejo or in his native language ein Scheisskerl.

English faster by watching more English tv, yes. But turning off the spanish actually no. There are cognates in Spanish that improve one's English vocabulary.




playgirl
Jun. 15th, 2007 11:49 pm (UTC)
Latinos who are ADULT immigrants, and have lived here for years, and still can't speak English, have to start watching English programs only. Once they learn the language, then they can go back to the Spanish News, and Telenovelas.

Latino immigrants MUST learn English, and the only way to do it is to LEAVE Spanish behind, until they learn English. Enough is enough.
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ayoub
Jun. 15th, 2007 09:47 pm (UTC)
I say the same thing about Indian immigrants here... heh...
playgirl
Jun. 16th, 2007 12:03 am (UTC)
I had no idea.
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uglyface2
Jun. 15th, 2007 09:58 pm (UTC)
I agree. But at this stage, I'm ready to give up on that ever happening.
playgirl
Jun. 16th, 2007 12:04 am (UTC)
Don't give up; I feel there's still hope.
marc17
Jun. 15th, 2007 10:30 pm (UTC)
Leanring a language is all about usage. if you want to learn it quickly, immerse yourself in it. So, yes, it's just a matter of fact, that if you want to learn any language faster, only use that language. He never says not to speak their first language ever again, or even what their habits should be, only that if they want to learn the language quicker, they should use that language every chance they have. Any high school language teacher will tell you the same.
playgirl
Jun. 16th, 2007 12:08 am (UTC)
That's exactly it; he didn't say NEVER again watch Telenovelas.
moon_shine
Jun. 15th, 2007 10:56 pm (UTC)
I have to agree with donchep and I never thought I would do that. =o) SO when is Arnold Schwarzenegger going to learn English =o) and it does no good to turn off the Spanish television if you do not turn on the English one nobody should have to give up there heritage but they should try to adapt the best they can and as they say when in Rome do as the Romans.

Ok Now I will go off subject here just so I can flirt with my sexy friend Savanah!;o)

With your long ebony hair and eyes of green oh yes and the sweetest lips I have ever seen. Just please do not wake me up from this wonderful Dream, just let us kiss under the brightest Moonbeams as I hold you so tight to me. Now just feel me touch my cheek on yours and my soft breath on your neck as you whisper a sweet love song in my ear. oh if time could only stand still and we could stay here forever a float in our balloon and let the winds blow us, where ever our heart may lead us.

Love you Sunshine =o)

See what a long drive with you on my mind can do ;o) Wink Wink
your turn!? ;o))))
tigron_x
Jun. 15th, 2007 11:21 pm (UTC)
Learn some engrish! Then some english!
I agree. And, that's pretty much how I learned english because my parent's didn't speak a lick of english when they came here. They were forced to learn english in order to function in society. And they're still learning. My dad more than my mom too because my mom pretty much has it down. In fact, you should hear my dad speak broken english; it's hilarious. Once he went to a resturaunt and the waitress asked him what he would like to drink, and he replied, "I stay with water." And the waitress poured him the water and then left. And after a minute or two went by the waitress returned with an ice tea for him, and he was completely baffeled as to why the waitress brought him ice tea. It's awesome! She thought he said, "Ice tea with water or ice tea n' water."

But anyhow...

My parents didn't have time to go to classes or anything like that when they came here because they didn't have any money to their name, and they had a 1yr old son on top of that... my brother. So all they could do was bust their ass and use their wit to try and make it without knowing any english.

And it's a good that they didn't have anyone or anything to cater to them because it forced them to learn the language. So I don't see any reason WHAT SO EVER as to why our society or our government should cater to spanish speaking individuals when it doesn't help them in the long run because it keeps them from having to learn the language, let alone the culture.

The point is that this isn't Mexico. This isn't Puerto Rico. This isn't Cuba. This is America. And in America we speak english. If you want to live here, then learn english just like everyone else.
dumpsterdiva
Jun. 16th, 2007 12:50 am (UTC)
A little Story


Two, actually.

When I was young, my grandparents raised us. They spoke Hebrew, Arabic, Chaldean {a bit like Aramaic} and English. When they wanted to speak privately around us, they would often switch languages. Soon, they ran out of languages! My Nana said my sister once suggested they learn Pig Latin to trick my cousin and me and said she would teach them. ha ha! Total immersion - and we learned quickly since we were so young.

When my own daughter was in 1st grade, the man who had the ranch next to me, who was originally from Denmark, married a wonderful woman from El Salvador. Maria spoke very little, but perfect, English. They were able to finally cut through the red tape and bring her 6 year old daughter up from El Salvador. Timing, as it can be, was a bit off, as they were scheduled to fly to Europe for a month the very next week.

I took in Myrna, who spoke no English at all. I put her in school with my daughter of the same age and she lived with us. Thankfully I speak Spanish and was able to let her know that the school had arranged to have an ESL teacher come in and help her with her studies. She began to cry and indicated that she did not want to be pulled out of class. When the ESL teacher came, Myrna refused to speak with her in Spanish, preferring to try a bit of halting English.

By the time her parents came home, Myrna spoke perfect English. Why? Total Immersion.

I do not think advocating that people turn off television in their native language should be anyone's business. However, I have seen and experience the effect that total language immersion has on children. I am sure it is the same, although probably a bit more difficult, for adults.

I greatly admire people who will move to a foreign country and become bilingual. It is much easier for children - probably a lot of it due to peer presure and not wanting to be different. However, I wish more women would take advantage of ESL classes, which are taught only in English, as it would open up new avenues for them both socially and for employment.

Nice Post, as usual, Miss Playgirl.

:)

*edited for spelling*
moon_shine
Jun. 16th, 2007 05:25 am (UTC)
I just had to say NIce comment Miss Deva as usual ;)

Cheers!
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ninjaguydan
Jun. 16th, 2007 02:22 am (UTC)
how bout spanish tv with english subtitles...the new arrivals can learn the english and the non-speakers can enjoy the telenovelas...


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donchep
Jun. 16th, 2007 04:36 am (UTC)
telenovelas are addicting, dude.
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asifallforever
Jun. 16th, 2007 03:16 am (UTC)
I had a japanese friend that moved to hawaii to go to college. She wanted to learn english and even started in an english course to help herself out with her studies. However, when she was around her friends she only spoke japanese so she never really picked english up all that well. I was stationed in Japan for 2 years and though i never learned to speak japanese. I watched enough Japanese tv to figure out some of what they were saying based on the situation. Watching english tv is a good start but i agree with you that TOTAL immersion is the way to go.
darkphoenixrisn
Jun. 16th, 2007 03:58 pm (UTC)
I agree that immersion in a language is the best way to learn, but the Governator's comments came off as an attack on Spanish language networks and their viewers. He implied that only people who can't speak English watch those networks,
davev1968
Jun. 16th, 2007 04:18 pm (UTC)
I believe he is right. The fastest way to learn a language is to immerse oneself in it.
inspectorjury
Jun. 16th, 2007 08:00 pm (UTC)
I think that as poorly as Arnie speaks English himself he is a fine one to talk. Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger is an intelligent man. He has very little empathy. I agree that if you wish to learn a language you need to steep yourself in it. But, I don't think the non sissy boy should be the one to be speaking out about it.
donchep
Jun. 16th, 2007 10:22 pm (UTC)
There is an important point that I agree with. That ultimately, it's very beneficial to converse in la lingua franca. But I think Schwarzenegger's solution is too simplistic and slightly naive. There's immersion and there's assimilation.
If you are going to succeed your odds are better if your lines of communication are open to a wider group of people. But I resist any efforts to weaken the ties I have to my cultural heritage. My mom came here with no English skills but a high school education from Mexico. She didn't assimilate she learned from being around us after the language gap between parents and children started to grow. In other words it's your own kids that will force you to learn. In most cases the kids born here won't speak Spanish primarily if at all. We might speak a little spanglish (notice how popular reggaeton is lately :)) but English is our favored language.
In most cases, the immigrants who learn English learn while working where there is more English speakers than spanish speakers. They learn to speak to their bossses, to co-workers, and customers. It seems like a third of the McDonald's here have latinos working there. They start off barely understanding the language but after 3 months the same workers are more confident and speaking the language..yet I stillhere the banda music playing on the radio in the kitchen.
You learn from necessity and practice through constant use. Maybe there are people from wherever Schwarzenegger is from who can't learn more than one language without turning off one in their head, but I speak several languages with little effort and I never once had to turn the English TV off.
My mom called me and said that if the immigrants switched to English TV when one of Schwarzenegger's movies was on they'd never learn ANYTHING!
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