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IRAQ WAR, SCOOBY DOO



First of all, you kids are as sweet as can be! I just noticed I totally misspelled Scooby-Doo on my last post, and I'm sure you all noticed but didn't want to hurt my feelings! Please, whenever you find something I've misspelled, (you’ll find zillions of them) let me know! As for my commas, forget it, 'cuz I'm comma quacky and have no earthly idea WHERE they go so I drop them all around me like rose petals! :o)




Why do you believe Bush insists on sacrificing our soldiers lives in Iraq?

Does he honestly believe this war can be won?

Do you believe we have a chance in winning this war in Iraq?


Playgirl's Quotes For Today:

"War continues in Iraq. They're calling it
Operation Iraqi Freedom. They were going
to call it Operation Iraqi Liberation
until they realized that spells 'OIL.'"
- Jay Leno

"President Bush said it's now time for a change in
Iraq and he wants them to have a Western-style
democracy like ours. So right now in Iraq, the
economy is collapsing, businessmen are corrupt,
and Hussein wants his son to take over as
president. Sounds like mission accomplished."
- Jay Leno

"The tyrant has fallen, and Iraq is free."
- George W. Bush




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adameros
May. 21st, 2007 07:17 pm (UTC)

  1. Why do you believe Bush insists on sacrificing our soldiers lives in Iraq?
    At one point I thought it was for oil, but the longer this goes on the more I believe that he's a religious nut that is trying to bring about "the end of days". According to religious scripture armageddons will be a war between a the false prophet and the anti-christ, and that the war will be in the middle east and will grow to encompass the world. Also that Jesus will rise again and bring all the faithful into heaven. This is not an uncommon belief amoung born again evangelical christians. I suspect this is religious bullshit to introduce instability in the region and cause world war three.

  2. Does he honestly believe this war can be won?
    If you believe he's crazy, like I do, then I don't think he wants to win.

  3. Do you believe we have a chance in winning this war in Iraq?
    No. I think if we prevented the looting at the beginning of the war, and were able to rebuild fast, creating jobs for all Iraqi's there would not have been the level of dissent that has caused people to join the insurrection and it's growth into a civil war. At this point there are two ways to resolve the issue. Bring the hammer down and be as ruthless as Sadam was, with lots of civilian casualties. Or we can let the civil war play it's selvf out, with lot's of civilian casualties. Neither solution the average American wants, but we will settle for which ever solution results in the least American lives lost.
jblaque
May. 21st, 2007 07:37 pm (UTC)
I don't believe that he's a religious nut at all. In fact, I think he's a lot less "Christian" than he claims to be, and uses the Christian right as a political tool.

I also believe he had a bone to pick with Hussein long before 9/11 (i.e. based on his father's unwillingness to finish the job during Gulf War I and Saddam later (allegedly) plotting to assassinate the elder Bush, and used 9/11 as his excuse to invade. I think that Dubya actually did believe that - altho' we went in under wholly false pretenses - the Iraqi people would embrace us as liberators. The problem is he didn't/still doesn't know the first thing about Iraqi culture or the centuries-old blood rivalries of the region.

As for "winning" the war, it'll never happen. Bush will hold fast and keep the troops there until he leaves office in a shameless (yet failed) effort to save face and not go down in history as the worst U.S. president ever. The next president - who I don't envy one bit - will be left to clean up the mess, bring the troops home and declare "peace with honor," a la Vietnam.

The whole thing stinks to high heaven. The dead, the injured, the wasted money, the ill will created around the world and (most ironically) the fuel we've poured on the terrorist fire.
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Prayer is a private spiritual matter - playgirl - May. 22nd, 2007 02:49 pm (UTC) - Expand
the false prophet and the anti-christ - playgirl - May. 22nd, 2007 07:09 pm (UTC) - Expand
mehen
May. 21st, 2007 07:26 pm (UTC)
1. I really think he believes if we hold Iraq together long enough a strong democratic government will emerge and there won't be civil war. I don't believe it will. Nor do I look forward to watching the bloodbath that will occur once we leave. However, breaking the country up along ethic lines as it's own problems. The Turks will never accept a kurdish state in the North, Isreal and Saudi will never accept a Shite state in the South and no one seems to want the Sunni's in the West/central. It's a mess.One we helped create by deposing the strongman holding the country together by fear.
2. A war can be won, this isn't a war it's a police action and civil war, which can't be won by troops.
3. See 2....
playgirl
May. 22nd, 2007 02:59 pm (UTC)
I count the days when
What a nightmare all this has turned out to be, and there's no end in sight.

I count the days when Bush completes his presidency, but in the meanwhile, we will have lost so many more of our soldiers. God bless them, and all those who have no say in the matter, and who continue to lose their lives, also!

Thank you mehen for your thoughts!
p0stmdrnpr1mt1v
May. 21st, 2007 08:05 pm (UTC)
all along his administration has carefully avoided a real definition of what "winning" and "victory" actually are, as far as what goals must be achieved. they throw those words around, especially when getting definsive about criticism, but they wont say what "winning" even is.
playgirl
May. 22nd, 2007 03:21 pm (UTC)
That's right. I've banged my head against my keyboard, trying to find a definition for the word winning, but have come to the conclusion that it impossible to come up with an answer, because there is no definition when it comes to winning this horrible war.
playgirl
May. 22nd, 2007 03:17 pm (UTC)
It's people like this Deryk Schlessinger poor excuse of a soldier, who are responsible for not only giving the rest of our soldiers a bad name, but for making it much harder to communicate through email with their families.

Thanks for the link!
marc17
May. 21st, 2007 08:22 pm (UTC)
Why do you believe Bush insists on sacrificing our soldiers lives in Iraq? - Because staying there preserves out point for being there. We can affect and control the middle east and oil from there.

Does he honestly believe this war can be won? - Define win. Will everything settle down and be a happy neighborhood? No. Can we continue to enact US policy in the area from that location to benefit the US economy because of it? Maybe. Honestly, I think that it is hurting the US more than helping even on a financial standpoint as a whole but is benefiting economic concerns which he and the Republicans are in bed with.

Do you believe we have a chance in winning this war in Iraq? - Maybe a little bit more than having Isreal and everybody else decalre peace.
playgirl
May. 22nd, 2007 06:46 pm (UTC)
Thank you Mark!
ayoub
May. 21st, 2007 09:08 pm (UTC)
A lot of construction companies made out like thieves on the reconstruction of Kuwait...

Iraq is a lot bigger than Kuwait.

There is a lot of money to be made by big business...
playgirl
May. 22nd, 2007 03:34 pm (UTC)
a monetary killing
How can they live with themselves, knowing that they made a monetary killing, by the multitude of others who have lost their lives?
Re: a monetary killing - ayoub - May. 22nd, 2007 10:05 pm (UTC) - Expand
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playgirl
May. 22nd, 2007 03:51 pm (UTC)
What the hell goes on here?
How is it that we're so concerned about getting all the illegals who are busting their backs picking produce from crops, and these obvious terrorists continue living here without a care in the world??

OMG! And what about those who are insistent to take away the American citizen's right to bear arms?

What the hell goes on here? Why isn't the FBI investigating that place?

If 12 million illegals have crossed over to this country, I tremble at the thought of asking myself, how many of them are from the Middle East!!

This country is all screwed up, and God help us!

manoman
May. 21st, 2007 10:34 pm (UTC)
Why do you believe Bush insists on sacrificing our soldiers lives in Iraq?

Because he can't admit he made a horrific mistake.

Does he honestly believe this war can be won?

I think against all odds he keeps hoping it can be won. If one looks at the past 100 years in that part of the world, no one who has tried has ever won.

Do you believe we have a chance in winning this war in Iraq?

Nope. None at all.
playgirl
May. 22nd, 2007 04:06 pm (UTC)
Hagar gave birth to Abraham's son Ishmael?
If I'm not mistaken, hasn't this war in the Middle East been going on since Hagar gave birth to Abraham's son Ishmael? If I'm right, then how can Bush expect to win the war now?

I also don't believe this war can be won.
harley1456
May. 21st, 2007 11:07 pm (UTC)
We were fucked the minute the Supreme court appoint Bush President.....
playgirl
May. 22nd, 2007 04:17 pm (UTC)
Now my next question
I'm impatiently counting the days when the next presidential elections come!

By and by, I'm glad you found that tool you were looking for! I saw the pic, and it looks very impressive. Now my next question is; what is it for? :o)
Re: Now my next question - harley1456 - May. 22nd, 2007 08:33 pm (UTC) - Expand
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hr_fuknstuf
May. 22nd, 2007 01:44 am (UTC)
what kind of guns do you have? we should go shooting together, then later i will finally get to put the moves on you.
playgirl
May. 22nd, 2007 05:13 pm (UTC)
I own water guns
I own water guns, which will make it much more fun, and easier for you to make the move on me. ;o)
Re: I own water guns - hr_fuknstuf - May. 23rd, 2007 06:37 am (UTC) - Expand
stevie_stever
May. 22nd, 2007 02:21 am (UTC)
For what it's worth, Bush isn't solely the person to blame, even now. And believe me, I'm no fan of EITHER Bush. But in order for us to have entrenched ourselves in Iraq precisely the way we have, several ingredients were required.

-Imperialist attitudes as a nation and as a body of citizens
-A touch of xenophobia with respect to other nations/cultures
-Significant detachment by the public regarding the political process
-Willingness by the public to allow for war to be declared despite flimsy evidence (no, I NEVER believed any of it, but that still doesn't completely excuse even me)

So many things had to go wrong (or be deliberately sabotaged) that I think it's time the entire public took a step back and analyzed why we were ever so eager to go into Iraq. Look at the country's history. Basically the country was a bunch of semi-desirable regions that all got lumped together without respect to ethnic ties. One leader or another was sponsored by one nation's administration or another, coups happened...and THEN Saddam Hussein came along. And while he was no Mr. Nice Guy, his regime did achieve a bizarre stability with all the factions. It wasn't fair, or just, or humane, but it WAS stable. When we took him out, we destroyed the one finger that had been holding the dike of chaos at bay. Period.
And in the end, for what? No weapons of the description in question were ever found, and the only Al Qaeda presence there occurred after he was conquered.

No, there's no chance of winning a war of this type. I don't care if we have weapons 100 years from the future. There's just no chance. This is a war of attrition. The 'insurgents' (or whatever you wish to call them) never have to WIN a battle. Much like the Continental Army of the colonies which later became the United States, they simply need to never lose their capacity to fight. That's it.
playgirl
May. 22nd, 2007 05:43 pm (UTC)
Right after 911
Thank you for contributing your thoughts on this topic!

Right after 911, I was for this war. Never in my life had I felt so patriotic, because I wanted Osama bin Laden to pay with blood.

In the beginning, I was as proud as could be for Bush, and backed him up 100% for his promise to capture bin Laden, but then I found Afghanistan, and bin Laden's name mentioned less and less, until their was no mention of this horrible man at all, because we were now in Iraq. Still I felt as patriotic as hell, because we were told that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, but then, there were NO weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and still we continued to fight there. Then Saddam was captured and hung, and the situation in Iraq is worse than ever. Our American soldiers, and the countless innocent people of that country who had nothing to do with this, continues at an ever growing pace to be massacred.


We now find ourselves surrounded by more countries than ever, that hate us, and I'm positive many of them are already in this country with plans of wiping each and every one of us out.
nishar
May. 22nd, 2007 04:33 am (UTC)
Why do you believe Bush insists on sacrificing our soldiers lives in Iraq?

He wants for his friends to continue making the big money that they have been making. Plus he doesn't want to admit he lost this war.

Does he honestly believe this war can be won? No... but this is a man not known for being honest. Most drunks, former ones included, rarely ever like the truth.

Do you believe we have a chance in winning this war in Iraq? Not with Bush in charge. We had our chance but blew it by the piss poor planning for what would be coming after the Iraqi army was defeated. Saddam was bragging about how we was getting his nation to be another Vietnam and Bush didn't listen. He is too damn arrogent and stupid to understand what would be unleashed. Trust me, the worst is yet to come for our troops and the Iraqi peoples. The only real winner from this war will be Osama ben Ladin.
inspectorjury
May. 22nd, 2007 01:50 pm (UTC)
Should I answer these questions?
Why do you believe Bush insists on sacrificing our soldiers lives in Iraq? I believe at this point it is simply because he doesn't wish to admit that he bit off more than he can chew.

Does he honestly believe this war can be won? I don't think he does however if he can string it along until his term runs out he will not be the person who breaks faith with those in Iraq who supported us.

Do you believe we have a chance in winning this war in Iraq? No I don't but not because we can't, but because we will refuse to commit the resources needed to do the job. It would be extremely expensive in equipment, money and lives. The United States is not prepared to pay such a price and that is what the insurgents are counting on. But, I do believe we should allow those who have sided with us, those who will be tortured and killed to come to this country. We should offer them and their families som sort of protection. We can not keep starting these actions and then pulling out leaving those who trusted us to be punished and killed as their reward for trusting us. If we do this again the world community will soon refuse to believe us or our promises. If we can not keep our word we should at least try to keep the damage we have caused to a minimum.


Now about the email address. I need one for you as I want to be able to keep you informed about my health. You know things I don't want to be general knowledge. If you don't wish to give me an email address simply send me an email to inspectorjury@gmail.com and say so. I will understand totally. You have a right to maintain distance and privacy and I wouldn't want to ever endanger our friendship by overstepping the boundaries. Your friendship is much more important to me that anything else and I am content to keep it within the boundaries you set.
playgirl
May. 22nd, 2007 06:40 pm (UTC)
Re: Should I answer these questions?
1. That's what I've suspected all along, and besides, how would he explain the loss of so many of so many of our soldiers, and the loss of billions upon billions of dollars.

2. I never thought of that, but I believe you're right. I pity our next president for having to deal with that.

3. But, I do believe we should allow those who have sided with us, those who will be tortured and killed to come to this country. We should offer them and their families som sort of protection.

I think that's a wonderful idea! I've always known for a fact, that you should have been the President of the United States! I mean this with all my heart!!

4. Seek, and ye shall find!
Re: Should I answer these questions? - playgirl - May. 23rd, 2007 01:59 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: Should I answer these questions? - inspectorjury - May. 23rd, 2007 11:11 am (UTC) - Expand
kdawg
May. 22nd, 2007 02:17 pm (UTC)
Bush is an idiot, plain and simple. I can't figure out any possible scenario where Bush could think we are going to win this war. We need to get our boys and girls home NOW!
playgirl
May. 22nd, 2007 04:20 pm (UTC)
Yes, may God hear you that
Yes, may God hear you that our soldiers are brought back home right NOW!
Re: Yes, may God hear you that - kdawg - May. 22nd, 2007 04:32 pm (UTC) - Expand
hajiomatic
May. 22nd, 2007 05:06 pm (UTC)
I think we ARE winning.
But if we leave...we lose.
playgirl
May. 22nd, 2007 05:17 pm (UTC)
blood shed
How I wish to God you were right that we are winning! But by all the blood shed going on in the Middle East, I don't think so!

Wouldn't it be much more effective to bring back all of our soldiers, and start spending those billions of dollars here in the U.S. to guard our borders?
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