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12 Million Illegal Immigrants To Be Granted Legal Status

I'm sorry, but I DO NOT want the 12 million illegal immigrants in this country to be granted legal status!

Please! In an ADULT manner, I'd like your thoughts.

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May. 18th, 2007 01:13 am (UTC)
Sounds like the republicans are using the Canadian Politics model of increasing your base...

...you see, in Canada the politicians have real slack immigration laws for two reasons...underpopulation and the new citizens tend to remember which political party helped to get them in the country.

I'm for it, Several of my relations qualify for this...many of whom have lived here for years and now can get social security after working in this country for some thirty years.

All in all when you take out the hype and fear, all of this anti-immigrant talk has a strong tinge of racism or culturalism..Soon the Melendez's will be as all american as the Kennedys or the Scorcese's.

May. 18th, 2007 02:47 am (UTC)
I can understand why you would be for it, and please don't be upset with me for being against it, but these are my true feelings when it comes to illgals in this country.

I realize racism is abundant in this country, but I honestly believe racism has nothing to do with those of us who are totally against illegals in this country. Every single Mexican American I know in my real life is totally against it.

I'm all for immigrants entering this country, but ONLY through the legal channels.

(no subject) - ninjaguydan - May. 18th, 2007 03:09 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - tomcatshanger - May. 18th, 2007 04:36 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - ninjaguydan - May. 18th, 2007 04:39 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - tomcatshanger - May. 18th, 2007 04:52 am (UTC) - Expand
talking out my ass 101. - ninjaguydan - May. 18th, 2007 05:06 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: talking out my ass 101. - tomcatshanger - May. 18th, 2007 05:15 am (UTC) - Expand
May. 18th, 2007 01:32 am (UTC)
i know we disagree on this issue but here are my thoughts:
well they won't be illegals anymore so as long as they're productive members of society (which is more than i can say for many of the natural born fuckers here), then i say welcome aboard.
May. 18th, 2007 02:26 am (UTC)
Re: i know we disagree on this issue but here are my thoughts:
There's no doubt that lazy people come in all colors! :o)

Some illegals are productive, but many are not, and let us not forget, they never cared to follow the rules when it came to entering this country. Many have been waiting for years, because they chose to do things in the proper way, to enter this country. I doubt they'll ever have there chance, and I don't believe that's fair.
May. 18th, 2007 01:46 am (UTC)
Those people are some of the hardest working people in the country. They report to work sick, they report to work in pain, and then they do the job. I know they are a strain on our resources but they are also heavy contributers to our economy. I'm not sure how I feel about them being here. But I know they should be treated with dignity and respect.
May. 18th, 2007 02:22 am (UTC)
I'm very much divided on this issue
You are one of the kindest men I've ever encountered.

I'm very much divided on this issue. Yes, there are many who are hard working, and should be treated with respect, but I can't help feeling they broke the law by entering this country illegally. I feel that by making them legal, it's sending out the wrong message. I also feel it's unfair to those who are going through the process of entering this country llegally.
Re: I'm very much divided on this issue - inspectorjury - May. 18th, 2007 11:13 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: I'm very much divided on this issue - playgirl - May. 19th, 2007 07:34 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: I'm very much divided on this issue - inspectorjury - May. 19th, 2007 10:05 pm (UTC) - Expand
May. 18th, 2007 02:24 am (UTC)
That's a total slap in the face to the people who immigrated to your country legally.
May. 18th, 2007 02:27 am (UTC)
All 5 of them?

(no subject) - playgirl - May. 19th, 2007 01:59 am (UTC) - Expand
May. 18th, 2007 02:27 am (UTC)
and now some video relevant to the subject...
Here is Penn and Teller's take on the immigration issue...

May. 18th, 2007 02:30 am (UTC)
Let me ask you a question? How many times are you going to talk about the exact same subject and expect answers that everyone here hasn't already given?

Heh, honestly do you think anyone here isn't going to predictably reiterate the exact same stance on the subject?

I'm just busting your chops because you know I'm predictable that way. But I mean this subject comes up like at least once a week here.

No one here is going to give you a different answer :)

May. 18th, 2007 02:57 am (UTC)
It is the exact same subject, and this subject comes up every single day on world news, only with a different twist EVERY single time.

Illegal immigration is what's on every single American's mind. I found it impossible for me to smile when I found out today that those ILLEGAL immigrants will be granted legal status in the U.S.

After that happens, I'm sure to expect ANOTHER 12 million crossing over illegally very soon!

I really and truly CANNOT afford them!

Perhaps if the little people like myself express in these blogs our exact sentiments about this never ending issue, someone will listen to us.
(no subject) - donchep - May. 18th, 2007 05:36 pm (UTC) - Expand
How? - playgirl - May. 19th, 2007 08:05 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: How? - donchep - May. 19th, 2007 09:27 pm (UTC) - Expand
May. 18th, 2007 02:32 am (UTC)
I have mixed feelings about it all. I don't have any solutions, but the fact that MANY people and businesses employ em seems to make it logical to allow them to stay. Besides the plan they have will not work, $5000 fees and they have to go back to the home country and apply to come back...like that is going to work!?!?!

I think that if we want to stop illegals then we need to stop people from hiring them....get ready for prices to rise....legal residents/immigrants don't work at the rates that people pay these people now.

We are all guilty in a way for supporting an economy that relies on this labor. I can't really blame people for coming here when there are so many employment opportunities for them, legal or not capitalism is allowing them a niche.
May. 19th, 2007 12:59 am (UTC)
I mentioned before that it will be imposible for them to come up with $5,000; this fact alone is not going to make it work.

Yes, we are all guilty of relying on their cheap labor. Perhaps if those who rich companies that are exploiting them, would offer a decent wage to American citizens, the problem of illegal immigrants would slow down. I realize that in doing so, products will be much more expensive, but I for one am willing to pay the price.
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May. 18th, 2007 02:58 am (UTC)
Did you ever notice that the anti-illegal immigration hysteria started to get really revved up around the time the Iraq War started to turn into a negative for the Republican party? You know right when the "gay marriage will ruin society" thing started to get a little old and wasn't firing up the base and scaring other voters to blindly vote Republican anymore. You know, a little over a year ago now when Republicans started to realize the polls showed they might lose control of Congress and lose offices at the state and local levels.

All the anti-illegal immigration hype has been driven by two things - racism and demagoguery. Deporting all the illegals was never going to happen realistically for a variety of reasons - primarily it is logistically impossible and our economy is too dependent on them. If all the illegals were deported this country would plunge into a severe economic depression.

In addition the public outcry would be too great when the effects of the larger policy got down to a more personal and community level. People would start wanting exceptions made, or the policy just outright changed, when they actually saw families torn apart, pets abandoned, businesses forced to close, construction projects of all types going unfinished, crops rotting in the fields, soaring prices, etc. It is easy to say deport all the illegals, until you lose your job because deporting the illegals hurt your company, half the restaurants in town close because they can not get any cooks or dishwashers, the price of produce doubles, that house you want to buy all of a sudden costs an extra $100K and will take twice as long to build, and the value of your 401K and stock investments drop 30-40%.

The new law sounds like a fairly realistic approach. It is at least a good starting point.
May. 19th, 2007 01:46 am (UTC)
Aye Dewayne! I had to look up demagoguery to see what the word meant! Now I know! :o)

I realize racism has much to do with it, but I don’t understand how demagoguery (YAY, I know what the word means!) would contribute to it, since the Democrats had much to do with this new bill, too.

If all the illegals were sent back, and all those who have been waiting in line for years, to enter this country legally, wouldn’t that help keep this country from going into a depression?

Oh, and thanks for teaching me yet another new word! Demagoguery! I like the word! :o)
May. 18th, 2007 04:46 am (UTC)
Nothing says bullshit quite like hypocrisy.
One of these day's I'll understand how the pro-illegal alien camp can scream "racism" and then go on to say how lazy Americans are and how hard working illegal aliens are.

They chant that illegal aliens work hard, Americans don't. Blah blah blah. Pure bigotry. And yet, it's OK for them to be bigots for some reason.

But the moment someone, ANYONE, says our boarders and our immigration laws are important, that we need legal immigrants, not illegal aliens, they scream out RACIST!

The true bigots are always those who say the illegal aliens work so hard. They are automatically bigoted against their fellow Americans.
May. 19th, 2007 01:03 am (UTC)
Re: Nothing says bullshit quite like hypocrisy.
As a minority myself, I agree with you on the hypocrisy that's going on in this country.
May. 18th, 2007 05:02 am (UTC)
The problem is, that our wonderful government made a precidence years ago... Leave them alone until it becomes a problem, then legalize them.

We've done this a few times now, and it's just asking for more of them to decide to illegally enter this country, wait a while, then get legalized with a sweep of the politicians hand.

And don't even get me started on the whole "dry feet" thing when it comes to the cubans.
May. 19th, 2007 01:20 am (UTC)
I had no idea until today when I saw it on the news, that Cubans who first step foot in this country, can automatically remain.
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May. 18th, 2007 07:18 am (UTC)
Being a CA resident, I see a lot of different aliens, illegal and not. How many of them are children under the age of 18? The Governator decided to allow them all to get driver licenses... makes some sense, they're driving around without them anyway... there are no more paperboys... kids don't do paper routes. People are willing ot charge less to drive around larger areas delivering papers. I don't know... it's all crazy.
May. 19th, 2007 12:18 am (UTC)
We live in a crazy world!
May. 18th, 2007 12:37 pm (UTC)
I don't know what to do anymore. After everything I went through -- PERSONALLY went through -- during the 2004 elections for supporting Bush, he turns traitor and pulls something like this. I can't support the man anymore.

With respect to "what can be done", here are two suggestions:

1. Three of the negotiators — Texas Republicans Kay Bailey Hutchison and John Cornyn and New Jersey Democrat Robert Menendez — were not on stage when the deal was announced.

Hey, you live in Texas, don't you? Two of those people are Texas Congressmen. Call their offices and let them know you oppose this.

2. I don't have a list right here, but I know there are some people in Congress who oppose this. Find them, call them, and support them.

While we're at it, let's give you one more thing to chew on. Democrats are trying to change House rules in order to raise taxes. A bad idea all around, no matter which party wants it.
May. 19th, 2007 02:34 am (UTC)
Nothing shocks me anymore. This country is being run by those in power, and they could care less what the American people want.

It's going to pass, and there's nothing we can do about it. Look at this new immigration bill. I only found out about it, after the fact.

We're screwed!
(no subject) - uglyface2 - May. 19th, 2007 12:24 pm (UTC) - Expand
May. 18th, 2007 01:43 pm (UTC)
I agree with you. You know if us Americans did anything illegal they would not think twice about punishing us. What does that tell them. That it is OK to come here and brake the law because we will just let it slide. These people are slick by coming here the way they did, so what makes us think that they will not be slick about braking the laws. Not saying they all would be like that but I can't help but think most of them would. But it brings me to another thing about the ones who are here legally , they seem to have more opportunities then us who have been here all our life. They can get business loan easier, heath care, etc. While everyone else who is American is treated like we are second. Now we are going to tell people it is OK to just brake the law and the punishment it we will give you rights, and probably money and anything else we can to get you on your feet. All the while they turn there head to the real Americans. That is my 2 cents........
May. 19th, 2007 01:14 am (UTC)
There are people who have been waiting for a very long time to enter this country legally, and now all those who chose not to follow the law, are going to be rewarded for it. I honestly don’t understand the manner of thinking by those who came up with this.

Thank you for your two cents worth Sweety Pie!
May. 18th, 2007 03:48 pm (UTC)
I think it CAN make sense if you think really hard about it. If someone wants to really have a go at living here legally and can come up with the $5,000 fine, which is the punishment for illegl entry then you almost have a self-policing group of people.

I guarantee you those who paid the money and re-entered legally will snitch out their competition if they're still here illegally.

And if only 1,000,000 people paid that 5,000 dollars that's 5 billion dollars that can go to the infrastructure they're using, schools, border enforcement, etc.

Border enforcement has shown itsaelf to be improving since they stopped with "catch and release". The percentage of apprehensions has dropped dramatically And with an extra cash boost (assuming that money will find it's way there) they can afford to patrol the borders better.

If you paid 5,000 just to be able to work here..you're going to be working hard to get that money back. And you're certainly not going to let someone who didn't pay the money take a job away from them. So they'll be turning in anyone who came here illegally after the fact.

If they only allow people with a work history,proof that they're here to work, no arrest records, clean bill of health and the fine to pay for having been here illegally, I think it's a lot better than having these people in the shadows.

A lot of them will be able to work jobs with benefits like health insurance which takes the burden off the taxpayer in terms of indigent healthcare.

Of course it's a time will tell deal.
May. 19th, 2007 12:01 am (UTC)
Sounds good to me, but how in the world will those that earn so little, come up with $5,000? There’s no way! I believe they’ll continue living in the shadows, because they know for a fact that they’ll never be able to enter again.
May. 18th, 2007 06:18 pm (UTC)
I have many concerns. But I have to admit I don't know all the details about this. I just heard about the possibility of granting amnesty on the news last night so I don't know the details.
May. 19th, 2007 01:27 am (UTC)
It's all very confusing, and I don't understand it myself. The only thing I know is that this came up without the peoples knowledge, and I don't believe that's right.
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