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I stole this from [info]donchep

"Today is the anniversary of the death of Lance Corporal Jose Gutierrez. He was the first combat casualty in Iraq. Jose Gutierrez was a young man of 22. Father to his younger siblings. Loved the United States and dreamt of the things he would do in this country after serving in the Corps. A true patriot through and through.

Oh yeah, I forgot. He came here from Guatemala *ILLEGALLY*

I dedicate this to Charlie Daniels, Tom Tancredo, Arnold Schwarzenegger and the Minutemen who , as their type claim, won their right to their opinions from the spilled blood of the men and women in uniform like Jose Gutierrez."

donchep, men like Gutierrez (a war hero) are rare and few, because he joined the Armed Forces and became a citizen. I'm so sorry Lance Corporal Jose Gutierrez lost his life fighting for our country, and my heart goes out to him and his loved ones!

But sadly, all of those who are here in this country illegally are criminals, because they broke the law the moment they entered this country without going through the proper channels. It isn't fair to the American citizen, nor is it fair to those who are attempting to enter this country through those proper channels which are required by our laws.

MANY are here illegally, sucking the system dry, and it angers me beyond belief. Forgive me for this, but since I live a skip and a holler from the border, this is as I see it, and I have seen it with my own two eyes.

Another thing, how nice it would be for the multitude of those illegally in the United States of America, whether they be come from Mars, Venus or Timbuctwo, to someday learn to speak the English language.

If anyone would like to add their input to this topic, please do it in an adult manner.

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Mar. 23rd, 2007 04:19 am (UTC)
donchep, men like Gutierrez (a war hero) are rare and few, because he joined the Armed Forces and became a citizen.

His citizenship was awarded *POSTHUMOUSLY*

Mar. 23rd, 2007 12:58 pm (UTC)
He got his green card at 18. That made him a legal resident of the United States.
Mar. 23rd, 2007 03:19 pm (UTC)
Actually he was picked up for deportation at 22 lied about his age and got asylum as a "minor". He then applied for his green card and joined the marines for an expedited citizenship that would help him bring over his sister from Guatemala.

When you look through his case, he didn't go through any legal channels. He received his green card fraudulently.

Draw what you want from this. Make claims about the fallacy about my logic, but all I have stated were facts. If I, at any point, have used any of this to argue for supporting illegal immigration, I challenge you to prove it.
Mar. 24th, 2007 03:28 am (UTC)
Show me where that is stated. Everything I have read says he got his green card legally.

If they are facts, prove them. And, remember, obtaining a green card by fraud is a crime and he would have been deported if it ever came to light.
Mar. 25th, 2007 06:41 pm (UTC)
Washington Post March 28, 2003 and the New York Times April 4, 2003. I would cut and paste but I don't have access to them here. I generally use Newsbank databases for mining news articles of interest to me.

You will note the date of these articles follow after the accounts of his death that had inaccurate information. They listed his age as 22 at the time of his death. But once the lie was uncovered his age was reported at 27 ( I was wrong by one year).
He was picked up at 22 and he lied about his age being 17 and he was allowed special asylum as a minor.

You or someone else in here with access can verify that this is true probably via the library or a lexis/Nexis search. I'd cut and paste during my break at work if I was there right now.

Of course he would have been deported if they knew he was lying. But no one knew till after he died.

One GI was discovered while in service. PFC Juan Escalante, an illegal immigrant from Mexico, did come forward while serving during the war. He was in danger of being deported but in recognition of service , despite having a bought green card, he eventually was given a real green card.

So, deportation is not necessarily inevitable in these circumstances.

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