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The Geneva Convention

How many politicians, who are making decisions (running the show) about the war, and who are insisting we continue fighting in Iraq, HAVE SONS AND DAUGHTERS IN IRAQ?

How many of these politicians who are making decisions (running the show) about the war, and who are insisting we continue fighting in Iraq, WERE IN THE MILITARY themselves?

Does anyone know where I could find those STATISTICS?

Right after Thanksgiving, one of my brothers will first be sent to Kansas for training, then to Iraq in December for one year.

Writ of Habeas Corpus is no more. Is there cause for you and I to worry about him and the rest of our American soldiers, since the obliterating of Habeas Corpus, obliterates The Geneva Convention?

The Geneva Convention

Prisoners of war MUST be:

- Treated humanely with respect for their persons and their honour.

- Enabled to inform their next of kin and the Central Prisoners of War Agency (ICRC, the International Red Cross) of their capture.

- Allowed to correspond regularly with relatives and to receive relief parcels.

- Allowed to keep their clothes, feeding utensils and personal effects.

- Supplied with adequate food and clothing.

- Provided with quarters not inferior to those of their captor's troops.

- Given the medical care their state of health demands.

- Paid for any work they do.

- Repatriated if certified seriously ill or wounded, (but they must not resume active military duties afterwards).

- Quickly released and repatriated when hostilities cease.

Prisoners of war must NOT be:
-Compelled to give any information other than their name, age, rank and service number.

- Deprived of money or valuables without a receipt (and these must be returned at the time of release).

- Given individual privileges other than for reasons of health, sex, age, military rank or professional qualifications.

- Held in close confinement except for breaches of the law, although their liberty can be restricted for security reasons.

- Compelled to do military work, nor work which is dangerous, unhealthy or degrading.

The fourth Geneva Convention ("Relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War") covers all individuals "who do not belong to the armed forces, take no part in the hostilities and find themselves in the hands of the Enemy or an Occupying Power".

Protected civilians MUST be:
- Treated humanely at all times and protected against acts or threats of violence, insults and public curiosity.

- Entitled to respect for their honour, family rights, religious convictions and practices, and their manners and customs.

- Specially protected, for example in safety zones, if wounded, sick, old, children under 15, expectant mothers or mothers of children under 7.

- Enabled to exchange family news of a personal kind. - Helped to secure news of family members dispersed by the conflict.

- Allowed to practise their religion with ministers of their own faith. Civilians who are interned have the same rights as prisoners of war. They may also ask to have their children interned with them, and wherever possible families should be housed together and provided with the facilities to continue normal family life. Wounded or sick civilians, civilian hospitals and staff, and hospital transport by land, sea or air must be specially respected and may be placed under protection of the red cross/crescent emblem.

Protected civilians must NOT be:
- Discriminated against because of race, religion or political opinion. - Forced to give information.

- Used to shield military operations or make an area immune from military operations.

- Punished for an offence he or she has not personally committed. - Women must not be indecently assaulted, raped, or forced into prostitution.

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Oct. 24th, 2006 11:04 pm (UTC)
keep speaking sister
Oct. 25th, 2006 01:03 am (UTC)
I'm such a blabber mouth sometimes! :o)
(no subject) - harley1456 - Oct. 25th, 2006 01:52 am (UTC) - Expand
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Oct. 25th, 2006 01:05 am (UTC)
I continue to have so many questions; questions that are driving me crazy! :o(
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Nov. 2nd, 2006 10:06 pm (UTC)
The Japanese commanders responisble for the Bataan death march were tried for war crimes and put to death. So people paid for that. Had we won the Vietnam war, I am sure those people would have been lined up and shot as well.
If you do some reading on the Nuremberg war crimes trails, the Nazis were on trial for violating the first Genevea conventions: circa 1920's version. So yes, people have been on trial for war crimes and other violations of the conventions.
Oct. 25th, 2006 12:45 am (UTC)
The Writ of Habeas Corpus is still alive, and it has not been abolished for those who it was intended. Americans and those being tried in American Courts. It has been suspended for those terrorists who are being held at Club Gitmo and other insurgents being accused of terrorists activities and associations.

This is not the first time it has been suspended. Actually the first time was by Abraham Lincoln. If you wish to check you will find that the Geneva Convention was upheld by the US and the orher Allied Countries during those wars we have fought. Most of those countries we fought against either picked and choose what parts of the Geneva Conventions they wished to follow.

During WWII the Japanese did not abide by the Conventions, and there were many instances where the SS and Gestapo also never abided by them. Korea did not always follow them neither did Vietnam.

IRAN and Afghanistan are signers of the Conventions IRAQ is not. Iraq ratified the Conventions in 1956, Iran in 1957 and Afghanistan in 1956. The problem here is that we are not at war against IRAQ or Afghanistan. We are fighting insurgents and terrorists who claim no allegiance to any specific country but to a religious belief. Islam not being a country never ratified the conditions of the 4 Geneva Conventions.

So wether we abide by them or not makes no difference. Wether we suspend the Writ makes no difference. They are gonna do what they want. History is proof that there is only one thing that these fanatics understand and that is unyielding force. They have to know that if they mess with us they will be oblitherated, but right now they know that they can do most anything because the bleeding hearts in the US will think that they can be reasoned with and will continue to believe this even as their heads are slowly sawed off.

But back to your question? Probably very few sons or daughters of US Senators and Congress persons are over there. With no draft, they dont have to. If you wanna take Michael Moore's word he says there is only one, but he is a liar the son of Senator Joseph Biden is serving, Senator Tim Johnson is serving, the son of Representative Duncan Hunter (there in california with you) is a Marine, he quit his job after 9-11 and enlisted. Former Attorney General John Ashcroft's son is serving on the U.S.S. McFaul in the Persian Gulf right now (I know he is not in the Congress but was in the Cabinet. You must remember that so many members of Congress are older with Children in their 40's and 50's. As for those in Congress now, there are 150+ members who were or still are in the Military.

I got this info from scanning MyGov.gov sites.
Oct. 25th, 2006 02:09 am (UTC)
true that this is not the first time a pres has suspended civil liberties....and if you look back none of them have stood the test time of.....in hindsight they are viewed as mistakes....as this will be 30 years from now.

and i am not sure but this wikipedia article suggests that a LOT of war crimes have been prosecuted....and you will also see that the US has not always abided
(no subject) - playgirl - Oct. 26th, 2006 07:12 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - daddy - Oct. 26th, 2006 10:52 pm (UTC) - Expand
Oct. 25th, 2006 01:55 am (UTC)
The chicken hawke argument isn't very convincing. How many congress critters have A> children, B> have children of military age and ability, C> have children that want to be in the military, D> have a magical say as to where their children would serve in the military?

Why not ask what the peacniks are doing for peace? Protesting for a few hours/days isn't a life changing commitment, nor all that effective in actually bringing about actual peace.

"take no part in the hostilities" is a major disqualifyer.
Oct. 25th, 2006 02:28 am (UTC)
9/11 Fahrenheit
Oct. 26th, 2006 01:15 am (UTC)
Michael Moore is full of it he said there was one when there is more. I believe his statement also said there was less than 100 members of the Senate too. just another point in that movie that was wrong.
(no subject) - moon_shine - Oct. 26th, 2006 09:30 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - daddy - Oct. 26th, 2006 09:54 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - moon_shine - Oct. 27th, 2006 04:05 am (UTC) - Expand
Oct. 25th, 2006 02:30 am (UTC)
I seem to recall that number is exactly 1.
Oct. 25th, 2006 03:40 am (UTC)
I'm sure all Americans are just as curious as I am about the numbers.

I want to know EXACTLY the numbers to my question.
Oct. 25th, 2006 02:48 am (UTC)
I haven't seen any here in Afghanistan (yet)....but I'll keep looking under the rocks....LOL.

I don't think the military keeps those kind of statistics...If a politician's kid was over here he'd be trumpeting the fact for his own political advantage. Pardon the cynic in me. I'm taking medication for that.
Looking forward to seeing YOU over here one day....;)
Oct. 26th, 2006 01:49 am (UTC)
Somebody needs to start those publicizing those statistics. I think it's important.

I'll make it a point to visit Afghanistan when there is peace again. I wonder if Osama bin Laden will invite me to join him for some dumplings and a cup of black tea! :o)
Oct. 25th, 2006 03:20 am (UTC)
How many people who are supporters of the war period have children, wives, husbands, etc... over there? How many familys are going without a daddy or a mommy for years at a time? How many times has war been "fair"? When was the last time during war that everyone was treated like they just won the Publishers Clearing House? When was the last time we had a president who didn't tell his people at least one major lie? Do the people honestly not realize that the government should be afraid of it's people and not the people afraid of their government? How many parents are missing major events in their childrens lives for this war on terror? Can you really fight terror? Aren't you either afraid or not, plain and simple?
Just a couple few questions I have related to the topic at hand.
Oct. 25th, 2006 03:44 am (UTC)
You bring up excellent points.

I want to know the factual answers to all these questions.

I believe I can answer one of them:
Can you really fight terror?

I honest to God don't thinks so!
(no subject) - hajiomatic - Oct. 25th, 2006 08:29 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - hajiomatic - Oct. 25th, 2006 08:31 am (UTC) - Expand
If I may... - daddy - Oct. 26th, 2006 01:18 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - playgirl - Oct. 26th, 2006 07:13 pm (UTC) - Expand
Oct. 26th, 2006 02:47 am (UTC)
For the record, it's not up to the politicians to "send" their children to serve. It's up to their children to sign themselves up.
Oct. 26th, 2006 07:14 pm (UTC)
I know that.

So, how many of them have signed themselves up?
(no subject) - uglyface2 - Oct. 27th, 2006 12:36 pm (UTC) - Expand
Oct. 26th, 2006 03:28 am (UTC)
Hmmm, personally I think the Geneva Convention should be done away with, we are the only people who follow it. You really think if the Iraqis catch our guys that they are gonna abide by it? Me either. I think we should do away with that, and pull the hell outta the UN. What good are we doing there anyway...NONE!

On a side note, I always meant to ask you when were you in Korea? I was there from 04-06. First year I was up by DMZ, second year they moved us down to CP Hovey...and it sucks down there lol. But I might be biased, cause when we were up North, my SQDN was only people on our Camp.
Oct. 26th, 2006 04:35 am (UTC)
South Korea
I think you're right about the G. Convention.

Wow, how nice to know that you were in Korea, also! When I was there, I got lost (duh), and another time, almost died.

I was at Camp Humphreys which is close to Pyungtaek.

I have about 6 pages where I shared my life in South Korea. If you'd like to read about it, you'll find part one here:

Oct. 26th, 2006 09:38 am (UTC)
I don't know Savanah but I do know that my senators nephew just came home in a body bag it was sad. I wish your brother and all the good men and women in our armed forces did not have to go fight a stupid war for oil!
Oct. 26th, 2006 07:17 pm (UTC)
I'm so sorry about your Senator's nephew, but I'd really like to know how many of these guys in top government positions have kids or grandkids in Iraq.

How I wish my brother didn't have to go to Iraq, and how I wish all of our soldiers would be brought back to their loved ones.
(no subject) - moon_shine - Oct. 27th, 2006 04:09 am (UTC) - Expand
Nov. 2nd, 2006 10:12 pm (UTC)
I hope your brother is gonna be ok. Things are getting worse over there so sadly he is going to see combat: lots of it if he gets stuck up in the Anbar province.
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