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I made a prior post that I would vote for Hillary Clinton if she ran for President of the United States. I've changed my mind. [info]tomcatshanger brought something to my attention, and because of his comment, I decided to do a little research, on the Clinton's and the Democrats.

I found that the Clinton's are AGAINST people having guns (AGAINST the 2nd Amendment) and have aggressively fought and tried to outlaw the use of guns by citizens. Their stance on this gun issue is that the right to bear arms was not intended for the people but rather militias, which do not exist at this time. Militias are groups of citizens organized by the government to defend the country against attack.

I also found out that during the Clinton Administration (before 9-11), his administration made it mandatory for telecommunication (phone) companies to install hooks into their systems at their own expense so that government officials can 'easily' tap into anyone's conversations and be monitored immediately.

I am discovering that the democrats are very much against freedom, probably even more so that Bush (I hate to say). I find now that Gore promised to provide taxpayer funding to hire 50,000 new police officers, and was totally against the ownership of guns by those not employed by the government, and was for raising taxes to support these programs. On the other hand, Bush was for shrinking government and really has reduced the amount of money required for government spending drastically, yet somehow because of this terrorist thing, managed to reduce freedom by saying that it is OK for government to spy on whoever it wants, but at least he has not been anti-gun nor has he raised taxes.

Thanks to [info]tomcatshanger, I now find that I was wrong to support Hillary. I believe I did so because there has not been a female president ever. I came to the conclusion that by supporting her totally contradicts my belief in freedom.

You know me, if Bill or whoever supported freedom, I would like them. I honestly think that they like tyrannical governments that 'protect' the masses. One must remember this quote by Thomas Jefferson, "A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order will lose both, and deserve neither", and this one by Franklin D. Roosevelt,
"There is nothing to fear but fear itself."

I honestly believe the terrorists are winning, because they have turned us Americans into PATHETIC trembling soggy wet noodles!

I have only one vote, and I must spend it wisely. The more I think about it, the more confused I become. At this point, I have no earthly idea whether

All politicians make false promises that they know they will break.
I feel that a promise is sacred commitment to the people of the United States, which must be fulfilled.

Too many in high positions have totally forgotten that The United States Constitution is LAW, and must be followed.

I fear too many Americans haven't studied it, much less read it.

Am I asking for too much, to want a President I can TRUST, a man of integrity, a man who will insure our freedom?

Am I asking for too much?

I just don't want any of this "Read my lips" bull shit anymore!

I'm tired of all these so called men of great intelligence,
making a mockery of the The United States Constitution!

It is for us, the living rather, to be dedicated, here to
the unfinished work that they have thus far so nobly carried
on. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great
task remaining before us; that from these honered dead we
take increased devotion to that cause for which they here
gave the last full measure of devotion; that we here highly
resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain; that
the nation shall, under God, have a new birth of freedom,
and that government of the the people, by the people, for
the people, shall not perish from the earth.
- Abraham Lincoln

Join The NRA
"The Right Of The People To Keep and
Bear Arms, Shall Not Be infringed."



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Sep. 2nd, 2006 05:46 pm (UTC)
You Worry to much Sweetie just go out and have some fun :) life is to dam short
Sep. 2nd, 2006 05:57 pm (UTC)
President Playgirl
I HAVE TO worry, Sweety Pie, or else I'll just have to run for President myself!

President Playgirl
Under the FREEDOM Ticket!
Sep. 2nd, 2006 06:26 pm (UTC)
Re: President Playgirl
:)ME Too! I will be your VP that way I wont have to do any thing just watch you all day ;o)*Wink Wink*
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Sep. 2nd, 2006 06:03 pm (UTC)
Guns and Democrats
You have the same problem as me. I will keep my guns! Yet I don't like the republicans. I think some of the Democrats have good ideas yet they will try to take my guns. This is pretty much why I am libertarian. All I know is I trust only my family, friends, and the individual I know. The rest especially once they are in a group are always suspect.
Sep. 4th, 2006 08:06 pm (UTC)
Re: Guns and Democrats
I do not trust any of them anymore, either. They have lied too many times, and they continue to do things on their own, without the consent of the people who voted them into office.

The gun issue is most important to me, because I KNOW exactly what happens to the people, when their guns are taken away. Juarez, Mexico is a prime example!! Criminals break into family's homes without a care in the world, to rob and murder them. Why? Because they know that homes they break into, have no guns because it is illegal to have one.

These insane people who continue to demand for gun control, have no eartly idea what's in store for them, should they win.
Sep. 2nd, 2006 06:54 pm (UTC)
Very nicely said little one. Why are you worrying about wether to label yourself as either Republican or Democrat though? Dont be either, or you can become a Libertarian. I consider myself a Libertarian because I believe in many points but more than anything I believe in the individual freedoms that are guaranteed to us by the Constitution, as well as a strong Federal Government to provide for the protection of our way of life.
Vote for the Person not the party. I do agree that a woman president is long overdue, I was hoping that Elizabeth Dole might make a run. I believe she would be a good option.

So often those who are elected are more concerned with following the party line than they are in serving those who elected them. Both Bushes have done that as well as Clinton. I believe that Reagan was one who believed more in America than he did the Republican Party, and before him you have to look all the way back to John F. Kennedy. Kennedy and Reagan both believed in AMerica and the greatness that she represents. This is more than evident when you look at what they were able to accomplish during their time in office. Kennedy's book "Profiles in Courage" is outstanding and really shows what is behind the Man.

We could really use another J.F.K. or Ronald Reagan. Or at least those are my feelings.

Sep. 4th, 2006 08:11 pm (UTC)
without the consent of the people
I am trying to vote for the person, but I don't think that person exists anymore. I honestly believe this country will someday be over taken completely by the government, because they are doing things without the consent of the people. The U.S. Constitution is just a piece of out dated paper to them.

I honestly believe I'm wasting my time about all this stuff. I see no hope.

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Sep. 2nd, 2006 06:55 pm (UTC)
...and now he only eats guitars, Get Out!

Good music choice.
Sep. 2nd, 2006 10:11 pm (UTC)
That song
Thanks! That song is one of my many favorites!
Sep. 2nd, 2006 06:59 pm (UTC)
Well not really. Clinton does make a point about the Militia. I don't like thinking that any crazy asshole can be walking around with a gat and stick it in my back. Sorry that was my attempt at bad rapping. :P I understand if the country is being invaded then by all means but come on. I betcha even the flower delivery guys down there carry guns.
Sep. 3rd, 2006 04:02 pm (UTC)
because damnit, if we punish EVERYONE, the bad people can't possibly cause us harm right?

The idea that disarming the law abiding someone disarms the social predators is so bizarre as to be insane.

But that's ok. Most folks who blame objects for actions are insane. It's not a small problem in society.
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Sep. 2nd, 2006 07:35 pm (UTC)
my Bumper sticker says "If they outlaw guns can we use swords?" for a reason.
Sep. 2nd, 2006 10:02 pm (UTC)
If they outlaw our guns, I'm sure they won't even let us use toothpicks to defend ourselves from the GANSTA who tries to kill us with his gun! :o(
Sep. 2nd, 2006 07:55 pm (UTC)
I always vote for SPAM, the canned lunchmeat. It works better that way.
Sep. 2nd, 2006 10:00 pm (UTC)
DA livin' end
OMG! SPAM with a couple of over easy eggs, and a piece of toast with oodles of grape jelly is DA livin' end! YUM! YUM! :o)
Sep. 2nd, 2006 08:08 pm (UTC)
Hey, saborsita, if you'll e-mail me, I'd like to start a dialog with you about this subject. I have been attempting for years to get progressives to understand the need to be Armed Citizens...and I believe I have a strategy. However, I do not wish to discuss it 'in public' just yet.


Sep. 2nd, 2006 09:51 pm (UTC)
LOVE, RESPECT, and ABIDE by these words
The only think I WANT from my future President of the United States, is to follow LOVE, RESPECT, and ABIDE by these words, that so many men and women have died for:

1. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

2. "A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

3. "No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law."

4. "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

5. No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

6. "In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence."

7. "In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law."

8. "Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted."

9. "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."'

10. "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."
Sep. 2nd, 2006 08:11 pm (UTC)
Anarchy is the way. Hmmmpf. Just teasing you because you toatlly deserve it after that statement "become a Republican or Democrat".

Most of us share values with both parties, duh, and most of us generally believe that there has been some failure of leadership in our elected government.

I frequently will vote in a manner first described by my US HIstory teacher in freshman year of college: I vote out the incumbent.

Love that icon today, love it!
Sep. 4th, 2006 07:40 pm (UTC)
Phone tapping
You're right about sharing values with both parties.

My main concern is the slowly corroding of our freedom.

Phone tapping is a big no, no for me, and sadly, both parties are for it.

At least the Repulican's are not for gun control, and this is my most important issue.

I only become more and more confused.
Sep. 2nd, 2006 08:45 pm (UTC)
The sad truth is, both Democrats and Republicans are fighting to strip us of our civil rights.
Sep. 3rd, 2006 04:05 pm (UTC)
and each group is trying to strip us of effective tools with which to fight for them with.
But the problem is, the Democrats want to take away an extra tool, firearms, compared with the Republicans who leave firearms alone for the most part, but agree with the Democrats via the taking of free speech (Campaign Finance Reform, Net Neutrality)
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Sep. 2nd, 2006 10:11 pm (UTC)
After all these years with the current administartion, I'll still take Hillary. I look at the broad picture of things from war to terrorism to economy to oil to medical to Social Security to tax cuts for the rich to favoring big business to honesty to all the ways we have been "violated" by this administartion. And the biggest thing we need is a big change.

Sure Bill and Hillary are politicians. But they also are intelligent and Bill is very experienced. The direction that Bush has taken this country and his way of doing things even to the point of fostering divisiveness in our country, and now once again to start the fear game by saying the war in Iraq is keepng us safe and all that bullshit.............. a tragedy for the USA.

Don't be fooled into votring for or against someone just based on a few things that advocate. Look at the entire picture of who will do best for this country.

Don't fall into that religious right way of thinking.... voting for and supporting a man who says he's one of them, and only considering abortion and gays as key issues.

Consider all the problems we face and vote for those who you feel will take us in the right direction, even of you don't always agree with everything.
Sep. 4th, 2006 08:00 pm (UTC)
bull corn
The right to bear guns is my most important issue, and I was totally turned of by Hillary when I out that the Clinton's are AGAINST people owning guns. This is my most important issue.

They are all a bunch of bull corn, with one lie after another. How tragic that the people of the U.S. have absolutely no faith in whoever runs.
Sep. 3rd, 2006 03:59 pm (UTC)

I'm glad you did your own research!! That's a rare thing these days.

I rarely see anything worth voting for, but there are always many things worth voting against.

In the last two elections, I voted against the Democrats whom I knew supported gun control. On everything else I voted for the lesser of two evils.
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Sep. 4th, 2006 04:39 am (UTC)
Very well said. I stand in a similar spot as you, as I am distressed at members of both parties and feel compelled to stand with one side or the other very soon.

One of the good things about political parties is that they do allow for a collective accountability for politicians...however, being a Rep or a Dem is not being totally one thing or the other, but part of two broad scales I think. Therefore, it is best to judge each man and woman on what they say, what they have said, and most importantly on what they have done, in order to gauge what they might do.

Personally, I hope very much that Senator John McCain runs for President. He is not all that I could hope for, but I feel he is a wonderful choice.
I know gun control is a big issue (perhaps the biggest) for you, my little texan, so here is his official position:

You told me once that you would tell me about the terrible thing that happened to you in your past that made you such an ardent gun rights person. If you have changed your mind, I understand, but you should know that I will never judge you on what has happened in the past, beloved.

All my love...
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Sep. 8th, 2006 12:58 am (UTC)
hell ain't comin'
Sweety, hell ain't comin', it's already here. :o(
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