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Pat downs, Body scanners



In reference to yesterday’s post about Airplane travel: Full body imaging scanner – Body pat downs at airports, I want to thank those sweethearts who took the time in participating with my questions.

Since I’ll be spending Thanksgiving at home with family and friends, I won’t be among those who will have to choose between going through the body scanner or the pat down, but had I chosen to travel, I would have been the only one on airplane A, because everyone in yesterday’s post said they would fly in the airplane B which had the option of not having to go through what the airlines required.

There’s a saying in Spanish: “El valiente vive mientras el cobarde quiere.” “The valiant lives for as long as the coward allows it.”

If I’m to die, I don’t want to be a helpless lamb to be slaughtered. I want to be able to confront my attacker face to face to fight for my life, but how can I do that when a COWARDLY terrorist (and COWARDS they are) plants a bomb in the plane I and the rest of the passengers are flying in?

It is my opinion that all those who are so against going through the airport scanners or being pat down, are making a mountain out of a mole hill. We are living extremely dangerous times, so why not just accept it, and follow the rules that are for our own safety when flying? At least we’ll have a much better chance of arriving to our destinations in one piece.

Happy and safe Thanksgiving to all my LJ friends, and everyone else!

Comments

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ayoub
Nov. 24th, 2010 07:55 pm (UTC)
My opinion on the whole thing is that being pat down or being body scanned is an all out attack on the right to privacy.

And if we're attacking our own rights out of fear, then they're the ones who are winning.

I'm not saying that precautions shouldn't be taken, but that they should respect the rights of the individual, because those rights should never, ever be taken away.
playgirl
Nov. 24th, 2010 08:42 pm (UTC)
Israel: High security, little bother...
I'm commenting on your comment( Israel: High security, little bother) from yesterday here.

Thank God Israel has such a successful method of airport security. I wanted to know how many airports Israel, and the U.S.A. has and found this:

Israel: Number of airports found - 31

USA: Number of airports found - 14,000
"According to government issued databases, there are about 14000 airports in the U.S. Of those only about 5000 have paved runways. And out of that 5000, there are only 376 that have regularly scheduled airline service.

According to the CIA World Factbook (refer to the link, below), there were 14,951 airports in the fifty U.S. States, as of 2008."


I find it close to impossible to start using Israel's method here in the U.S.A., since we have countless airports in comparison to Israel, and if it would be possible, it will take many years to accomplish. So, in the mean time, all we have to make flying safer is the full body scanners, and pat downs.

You and I agree on just about everything except this topic, but even though we disagree, I still love you! :o)
ayoub
Nov. 25th, 2010 05:16 pm (UTC)
Re: Israel: High security, little bother...
Love you, too :D
thechangingman
Nov. 24th, 2010 10:06 pm (UTC)
Hi Playgirl.

I am a litle bit drunk so forgive some of what happens next...

You know waht would make life very safe. No-one having any weapons unless they were lawmen.

We ae living in very dangerous times. All weapons should be proscribed.
playgirl
Nov. 24th, 2010 10:27 pm (UTC)
Guns...
Oh you've pick something that's treasured and dearly loved in my heart! Guns!

I've continued to go to Juarez, Mexico, and will soon write about the (gun) happenings there, so I'll keep my reply as short as possible.

I just can't understand why anyone, and there are many, who are against citizens owning firearms! How in the world are we to protect ourselves from potential criminals who are out there checking to see who they will attack? And yes, "we are living in very dangerous times." All the right reasons why we should all become expert shooters with our LEGALLY own guns.

Many of my older LJ friends know exactly why I own so many firearms, and why I'm constantly urging people to join the NRA. For my newer LJ friends, I'll someday again share my reasons for our RIGHT to bear arms.

Hope you're drinking Margaritas! :o)

nahele_101
Nov. 24th, 2010 10:19 pm (UTC)
*face to palm*

Keep accepting the continued erosion of your "freedoms" based on a b.s war ("war on terror" which is essentially a crock of shit made to continue massive spending and fear mongering.

Cigarettes, obesity and drunk drivers kill far more people then terrorists ever hope to.
nebris
Nov. 24th, 2010 10:31 pm (UTC)
More Americans are killed Every Single Month on our highways that died on 9/11.

~M~
playgirl
Nov. 30th, 2010 02:27 am (UTC)
You're right. I sometimes do not know what to think anymore about how our lives changed so drastically. After 9/11 never did I imagine so many innocent lives would be lost in such a horrific manner.
nebris
Dec. 1st, 2010 03:27 am (UTC)
Grab Your Ankles, Honey
"What happens when the first terrorist with a suppository bomb is found aboard one of our planes? After all, such weapons already exist. In the meantime, the imposition of more draconian safety and security methods is, of course, being considered for buses, trains, and boats. Can trucks, taxis, cars, and bikes be far behind? After all, once begun, there can, by definition, be no end to the search for perfect security."

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2010/11/30/oversized_security_hurts_america/index.html
playgirl
Nov. 24th, 2010 10:45 pm (UTC)
Aye mama mia...
Cigarette smokers smoke because they choose to gamble with their lungs.

Isn't it an erosion of drunkards freedoms when the government DEMANDS they don't drink and drive? Yes, but thank God those drunk drivers are punished harshly when they maime and kill innocent people.

If an airplane exploded in mid air because a terrorist (and who knows what a terrorist looks like; it could be gramma for all we’d know) refused to go through the body scanner, or to be frisked, wouldn't that person be just as deadly as the drunk driver? I think so.

What good is it to be so concerned about our rights being violated because of scanners, or frisking if we end up six feet under?

*face to palm* *me too* heh heh
nahele_101
Nov. 24th, 2010 11:13 pm (UTC)
Re: Aye mama mia...
I deleted my post because I think we'll just agree to disagree.

tigron_x
Nov. 25th, 2010 12:53 am (UTC)
Your actions are reactionary. They are arguments from effect.

Personally, it falls on the airlines to protect their passengers from danger. However, are passengers under this so called danger because of the airliners neglegence?

No.

So, why are passengers in danger?

Government wants you to accept these remedies for symptoms instead of you dealing with the actual source of the disease. These so called safety issues are not created because it's unsafe to fly. It's perfectly safe to fly. The issue is government.

This government has created a world unsafe for its citizens.

You go on about how you want to face your attackers face to face, and they're cowards for not doing so. Yeah, ok... and what of the airplanes that fly over and drop bombs and the missles launched from miles away onto their towns? That's not the same? They don't get to see their attackers face to face.

And, where does it end?

So, let's say you put up the walls (e.g. body scanners) that prevent airplanes from being bombed. What will you do when the next target is a theme park? What's stopping them from getting on a New York bus and blowing it up? Why is it just airplanes?

Deal with the source of the disease, and not the symptoms. And, if you want to conclude that the source is radical Islamist, then maybe it's time you started digging deeper.

Suicide attacks -- whether it be a kamikaze pilot or a guy strapping a bomb to him/her-self -- is an act of desperation.

Why are these people in such despair that they are willing to sign up as Jihadists insofar as to engage in suicide bombs?


"Know thy self, know thy enemy. A thousand battles, a thousand victories." -- Sun Tzu

playgirl
Nov. 30th, 2010 03:32 am (UTC)
You have brought up some pretty valid and thought provoking points and questions. We live in such a complicated world where anything we do or not do, is the wrong thing to do. The only thing I can do to make myself feel better about the chaotic world we all find ourselves in, is that we are so much better off than countless people from other countries in this world.
lemmy59
Nov. 25th, 2010 01:48 pm (UTC)
Happy Thanksgiving to you as well, my friend :) I hope you and your friends & family have a wonderful day!
playgirl
Nov. 30th, 2010 02:21 am (UTC)
I had a really nice Thanksgiving, and I hope you and yours had a nice one, too!
daddy
Nov. 26th, 2010 12:25 am (UTC)
If you have not realized it yet, The Terrorists are winning. Their task is to disrupt our way of life as best as they can and this crap with the TSA is just one of the ways they are winning.

If I may, lease look up the 4th amendment and read it closely. The Federal Government does not have the authority to touch your body unless YOU give them that permission. If you were to do that to anyone else they could have you arrested for a battery and quite possibly sexual assault.

The Terrorists are winning and some people cannot even see what is right in front of them.

Hope you are having a wonderful Thanksgiving little one, May God Bless you and yours!
nahele_101
Nov. 29th, 2010 11:54 pm (UTC)
Props for bringing up the 4th amendment violation. I was going there but gave up.

Hell, this entire post is 100% correct.
playgirl
Nov. 30th, 2010 02:19 am (UTC)
I, as just about everyone else realized it a long time ago when Bush continuously tried the spook tactics the big mushroom, and most fell for it.

I may be mistaken, but flying is not a right, but a privilege. If a person doesn't want to be touched, then that person shouldn’t fly. I fly quite often, and I want to enjoy the flight, and if I'm worried about a bomb going off because someone refused to be patted down or scanned, then I won't enjoy my flight.

I did have a wonderful Thanksgiving, and I hope you did too!
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