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My question for today: Are you for or against same sex marriages? Why? (Optional) Remember, you can express your own feelings whether you agree with me or not. Why? Because this LJ has always BELIEVED in freedom of speech.

I am for same sex marriages. Why? Because it’s none of my business.

What a better world this would be if we would all mind our own business when it comes to other people’s lifestyle.

Gay men and lesbians should have every right to marry, and I find it hypocritical that some of those opposing it have quite a few skeletons in their closets when it comes to their own marriages. It isn’t like the majority of straight marriages have been a good example. If I were to add links to public figures of marriages between men and women’s infidelities here, my list would be from here to kingdom come. Sure, there are marriages where husbands and wives remain faithful, but those are just a few.

We are facing so many devastating problems in not only our country, but our world; grave problems such as the oil spill, unemployment, war, drugs, racism, hunger, homelessness, (just to name a few among many), so why not concentrate on them instead of sticking our nose in other Americans personal business. Why not just live and let live?

Sure, the Bible calls Homosexuality an abomination, but it also calls these things an abomination. Who among us can say we have not committed a few abominations from this list?

Cheating (Mic. 6:10)
A froward man (perverse; one who turns aside (Pro. 3:32; 11:20)
A proud look (Pro. 6:16-17)
A lying tongue (Pro. 6:17; 12:22)
A wicked scheming heart (Pro. 6:18)
A false witness that speaks lies (Pro. 6:19)
A sower of discord (Pro. 6:19)
Wickedness (Pro. 8:7)
A false balance or scale (Pro. 11:1)
Sacrifices of the wicked (Pro. 15:8; 21:27)
The way of the wicked (Pro. 15:9)
The thoughts of the wicked (Pro. 15:26)
The proud of heart (Pro. 16:5)
Justifying the wicked (Pro. 17:15)
Condemning the just (Pro. 17:15)
Divers, dishonest weights (Pro. 20:10, 23)
Divers, dishonest measures (Pro. 20:10)
Refusing to hear the law (Pro. 28:9)
Homosexuality (Lev. 18:22; 20:13; Dt. 23:18)
Re-marriage of former companions (Dt. 24:1-4)
Cheating others (Dt. 25:13-16)
Incense offered by hypocrites (Isa. 1:13)
Eating unclean things (Isa. 66:17)
Robbery (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
Murder (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
Adultery (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
Oppression of others, particularly the poor or vulnerable (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
Violence (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
Breaking vows (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
Lying with a menstruous woman (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
Hardness of heart (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
Injustice (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
Incest (Lev. 19: 6-30)
Things highly esteemed by man (Lk. 16:15)


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ayoub
Aug. 5th, 2010 07:09 pm (UTC)
I am for same sex marriages. Why? Because it’s none of my business.

My thoughts exactly!
playgirl
Aug. 6th, 2010 01:51 am (UTC)
Amen!
stevie_stever
Aug. 5th, 2010 07:17 pm (UTC)
I see no reason to deny a right I myself enjoy. I see no threat. I also take issue with the discrimination at state and/or federal level with respect to paying higher taxes and the extra hoops a homosexual couple has to jump through just to make sure his or her spouse is included in a will, or to decide who makes decisions with respect to health care in the event a spouse is unable to make decisions, or even to adopt a child. It is discriminatory to continue with a tradition of unfairness which serves no one. I'd go so far as to call any such continuance of tradition 'hateful'.
playgirl
Aug. 6th, 2010 01:52 am (UTC)
Agreed!
nahele_101
Aug. 5th, 2010 07:55 pm (UTC)
1000% FOR GAY MARRIAGE AND OVERTURNING DADT (another bullshit law.) I say this as a member of the U.S armed forces for eight and a half years and counting.

Gay marriage doesn't harm ANYONE.

And any asshat who says "um, well...gays now. Marrying your dog next" are idiots. People are capable of giving permission, animals are not.

Its going to happen, sooner or later.
nishar
Aug. 5th, 2010 08:13 pm (UTC)
The only man, and his army, to ever conqueor the known world was bi-sexual. For most of his life Alexander the Great was fire island gay. We could use a lot more men/women in the military like him.
playgirl
Aug. 6th, 2010 02:29 am (UTC)
You're right about DADT!
nahele_101
Aug. 6th, 2010 02:47 am (UTC)
I'm right about them both.

Discrimination is discrimination. People's personal religion has no basis for forming legislation that affects the masses.
nishar
Aug. 5th, 2010 08:08 pm (UTC)
To me gay marriage is a civil rights issue. Pure and simple, gays should be allowed to screw up their lives, just like us straights, and get married. Now considering I am a Republican, that may seem odd. Once apawn a time, Republicans were all about getting government out of our lives. Now they want a Big Nanny state via a theocracy. You know, the kind of thing our founding fathers wanted no part of.
Jesus freed us from having to follow the old Mosiac law. http://bible.org/article/mosaic-law-its-function-and-purpose-new-testament Oddly enough Anton Levay wrote an article about that years ago. Though he was making fun of Christians who had no real clue what Jesus taught and believed in other things: like the Mosiac laws.

We still have to live according to God's path for us. The old laws are not for us.
darkknightradic
Aug. 5th, 2010 08:47 pm (UTC)
Oddly enough, in Romans God still calls homosexuality an abomination. It's not a matter of Mosaic law but how God set up the home (man and woman). No one is born gay. It's a choice.
smjayman
Aug. 5th, 2010 09:01 pm (UTC)
No one is born gay. It's a choice.

There are gay friends of mine that wish they were straight. They never set out on that path. It has been difficult for them at best, and sometimes horrible. In some cases their families don't accept them, they've been called names, etc. Nobody ever told me to like women, I've had a fascination with them since I can remember. I've not shared the same fascination toward men. At no point did I sit down and think, "I'm going to stick with women, why not?"
tigron_x
Aug. 5th, 2010 10:34 pm (UTC)
Yup... religion got it right once again. The earth is the center of the universe, epilepsy is caused by demon possession, and homosexuality is a choice.





playgirl
Aug. 6th, 2010 01:48 am (UTC)
No one is born gay. It's a choice.
I'm sorry, but you're wrong about it being their choice. I have many homosexual friends who wish with all their heart to become hetrosexual to avoid the hell cruel people put them through. Many are beaten and some are even murdered. Do you think they like living with such fear? How easy it would be if they could choose hetrosexuality, but it's impossible, just as impossible as those who are hetrosexual to suddenly choose to become homosexuals.
darkknightradic
Aug. 6th, 2010 02:41 am (UTC)
Re: No one is born gay. It's a choice.
It isn't impossible for them to choose it. If it were, there wouldn't be former homosexuals to say otherwise.
dragynphly
Aug. 6th, 2010 03:40 am (UTC)
Re: No one is born gay. It's a choice.
The only choice there is in homosexuality is whether or not to act on those inner instincts. "Former homosexuals" choose to go against their inner instincts and lead a straight lifestyle. It has nothing to do with the attraction they actually feel or who they feel it for. For those who do manage to shut the door on those feelings, that's exactly all it amounts to.

It is not, by any means, literally a choice to stop being gay. It is a choice to not act on those attractions. There is a distinct difference.

I wish people would stop using "it's a choice" as a battle cry in these discussions. The choice in this does not mean what you, or any of the other users of the phrase, want to believe it means.
nishar
Aug. 6th, 2010 03:18 am (UTC)
Recent studies suggest, it's not conclusive yet, indicate that homosexuality may be a birth defect. In half of people at least. The other half seem to have chosen homosexuality due to other causes. And yes, the New Testement has many of the same old laws: just not all of them.
playgirl
Aug. 6th, 2010 01:56 am (UTC)
You being a Republican and having these beliefs on Proposition 8 isn't odd at all. I'm a Dem. and infatically believe in the right to bear arms. :o)

nishar
Aug. 6th, 2010 03:19 am (UTC)
I wish more Democrates were like you. And not just because you are one whip-smart sexy little gal either. Bt that sure does help. hehe
tigron_x
Aug. 5th, 2010 10:36 pm (UTC)
What does marriage have to do with the government anyways?
edbook
Aug. 5th, 2010 11:11 pm (UTC)
I agree, it's neither my or my government's business.

Peace
playgirl
Aug. 6th, 2010 01:51 am (UTC)
That's exactly my point.
daddy
Aug. 5th, 2010 10:53 pm (UTC)
Lets look at a few things first.
MARRIAGE: noun; A social institution under which a man and a woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies or local statues. At least thats what my Funk and Wagonals says.

California already has a Civil Union where people of the same sex can join into and t5hey in turn receive the same benefits as two people who are married its just not called "marriage".

So basically they are asking for the definition of marriage to be changed for no real reason. If they change it now when will they be asking for marriage to be between 3, 4, 5 or more people?

As for the joining between two people whether they are boys, girls or one of each, as long as they love each other and wanna share their lives together, I am all for it. I have friends who are gays and lesbians, and I only want them to be happy. You don't need to change the definition for that to be.
playgirl
Aug. 6th, 2010 01:36 am (UTC)
What hypocracy!
I don't believe love is the only thing that matters to the gay community. When men and a women fall in love, don't some choose to eventually marry? Why can't the gay community have the same choice? Aren't they American citizens, just as the hetrosexuals are? Why such a double standard? Seems to me they are viewed as 2nd class citizens without their freedom of choice. They pay taxes and fight for this country. After all, this is the good old U.S.A., right?

I gave a list of things called abominations in the Bible. If someone can say he/she has never committed at least one of those abominations, that that person must have a halo as a crown, and angel wings attached to his/her back.

I'll take Newt Gingrich for example. He said that the gay marriage ruling was outrageous. Hasn't this judgemental man been married three times, and had an extramarital affair? Isn't this one of the ABOMINATIONS mentioned in the Bible?

There are many men and women like this man who judge others while having a great big invisible scarlet letter branded on their forehead, not to mention a stinking dirty diaper themselves. What hypocracy!





Edited at 2010-08-06 01:38 am (UTC)
daddy
Aug. 6th, 2010 02:44 am (UTC)
Re: What hypocracy!
WHOA who pissed in your oatmeal?

You saying I am a hypocrite? You need to reread what I said, there is nothing hypocritical about it, its all FACTS.

The word MARRIAGE has a definition that was penned centuries ago. You don't go around changing definitions, just because you don't like what it says.

Please explain the difference between Marriage and Civil Union? What can married people do that those who are in a civil union cant?

Go online and read that Proposition 8, and then read what California already allows in Civil Unions. Its the same frigging thing. They just want to be assholes and be able to use the word Marriage. Pure and Simple.

While you are taking Newt, go ahead and take Clinton and Obama as well Those two assholes have broken a shit load of Gods laws well.
playgirl
Aug. 6th, 2010 06:54 pm (UTC)
Re: What hypocracy!
I hate oatmeal! heh heh

Daddy, I never for one moment said you were a hypocrite!
tigron_x
Aug. 6th, 2010 04:03 am (UTC)
You're getting into the legalize of it.

And, while I find that questioning the changing of definitions to be valid, new terms, however, are always created, such as same-sex marriage.

So, there is a clear distinction being made between "marriage" and "
same-sex marriage."

The question that stands is whether or not the government will honor such contracts. And if the contract is not recognized, why not?

daddy
Aug. 6th, 2010 01:59 pm (UTC)
OK point made but in California where Prop 8 is being pushed, There is NO NEED to pass it. This is all a big sham being exerted by the progressive base.

IN California, Civil Unions allow the same benefits as Marriage does. Civil union couples are taxed the same as married couples, they have the same insurance and benefit rights, Hospitals must recognize them as the next of kin, there is no difference except the term used to identify them, and here is a big surprise, I bet the majority of those gay and lesbian couples still refer to themselves as being "married" and probably went through a ceremony dressed in suits and gowns with friends in attendance with someone officiating.

As for the "government" recognizing it the State DOES, as for the feds, FUCK 'EM! its none of their business anyway it should be a State Decision. NOW I DO WISH THAT ALL STATES WOULD RECOGNIZE "CIVIL UNIONS" OR "SAME SEX MARRIAGES" but that is up to the voters in each state.
tigron_x
Aug. 6th, 2010 11:10 pm (UTC)
Yes... "married" is a verb.

What's wrong with them having a ceremony?
daddy
Aug. 7th, 2010 01:19 am (UTC)
absolutely nothing, I never said there was, as a matter of fact I have been to a "wedding" of a lesbian friend of mine a few years ago. Unfortunately its not "legal: in South Carolina, but it made them happy!
foskat
Aug. 5th, 2010 11:34 pm (UTC)
marriage
hey if someone can find someone to love, let them have it.
playgirl
Aug. 6th, 2010 01:50 am (UTC)
Re: marriage
Love is always better than the hatred those who are always sticking their nose in other people's business.
dragynphly
Aug. 6th, 2010 03:56 am (UTC)
I am FOR same sex MARRIAGE. It is past time we as a civilization do shake up, and redefine. Why should the fact that marriage was defined centuries ago as being between a man and woman stop us from letting everyone be equal now? The earth was flat centuries ago. Now not only do we know it's not, we have been off the earth to visit the moon. Centuries ago a strong woman like Savannah would have been shunned and punished for her outspoken nature. If things were meant to stay the same, we would not even have the freedom of speech to be discussing this.

Let them have marriage. Let all things be equal. Not different but equal, but exactly the same.
drake57
Aug. 6th, 2010 04:16 am (UTC)
I don't see any Gay people trying to make laws to ban "straight marraiges" or anyone's religion.
Religion proves over and over that it has nothing to with God and continues to dominate,hurt and control weak minds.
Freedom of Speech and Freedom from Religion
playgirl
Aug. 6th, 2010 06:52 pm (UTC)
"Freedom of Speech and Freedom from Religion"
That's what the Constitution says!
fourcorners
Aug. 6th, 2010 08:26 am (UTC)
I don't think people who sow discord should be allowed to marry
playgirl
Aug. 6th, 2010 06:51 pm (UTC)
That sure would eliminate many of this world's woes! :o)
bluesman02779
Aug. 6th, 2010 11:52 am (UTC)
How do "they" measure how much discord one sows? I think heterosexuality is a birth defect.
playgirl
Aug. 6th, 2010 06:49 pm (UTC)
I guess "they" measure it by their own levels of discord. :o)
lemmy59
Aug. 6th, 2010 01:34 pm (UTC)
I'm against it, and yes, because of my beliefs in the Church and my own morals. However, and this may seem weird, I'd be for civil unions. Let 'em be as miserable as the rest of us ;)
playgirl
Aug. 6th, 2010 06:48 pm (UTC)
I respect your feelings about this issue.

"Let 'em be as miserable as the rest of us"
Thanks for the giggles! :o)
manoman
Aug. 6th, 2010 09:59 pm (UTC)
I'm in favor of same sex marriages. Why not? Two people in love and wanting to make a commitment of marriage. I find gays and lesbians to be people with the same desires in life that I have. I've met many and don't really feel they are different.

I think the main two reasons people are against this are religious belief (although sometimes that doesn't seem like the real reason) and then there are those who just cannot deal with the idea of homosexuality. Wonder why?
playgirl
Aug. 12th, 2010 08:41 pm (UTC)
I wonder why, too!
mistressmarilyn
Aug. 7th, 2010 07:40 am (UTC)
The whole 'family unit' concept that worked so well for the world's major religions (and some of the minor ones) to help define human civilization in the first place has become woefully inadequate. Yes, it worked for a long time. There was a time when a woman needed a man for protection and for financial support; if she was pregnant or nursing and caring for the children, she couldn't fight off wild animals and marauders and the like.

But, good lord, this hasn't been true for a century at least. And once firearms were invented (the Great Equalizer), women could protect themselves, anyway. (Plus, they could rob banks, if necessary.)

So. Now that men aren't absolutely necessary in the family unit, they can feel free to pair off with their own kind. And women can choose who they want--man, woman, whatever.

Seriously, it's time to re-define marriage and family. This is a new era. We need a new unit at the core of our civilization. Let's pray for an answer, and I volunteer to ask Jesus. Because, yes, you can love Him and still think it's okay to be gay, bi, trans-gender or bleached blonde . . .
playgirl
Aug. 12th, 2010 08:40 pm (UTC)
I couldn't have said it any better! Thank you!
gypsyblackthorn
Aug. 11th, 2010 04:56 am (UTC)
I'm a huge supporter of same-sex marriage. I definitely fall in line behind you as far as it being no one else's business, but I'm also a human rights activist and depriving someone of the legal right to marry is a gross violation of human rights. I wanted to leave this comment to let you know that I added you to my friends. I look forward to reading your entries and getting to know you. My writing is a bit racy and cynical, but I still think it's fun. If you wander over to my journal, please do enjoy yourself.
playgirl
Aug. 12th, 2010 05:19 am (UTC)
Welcome, and thank you for adding me!


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