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p0stmdrnpr1mt1v
Jul. 29th, 2009 01:12 am (UTC)
I want to have your Affirmative Action Babies
p0stmdrnpr1mt1v
Jul. 29th, 2009 01:14 am (UTC)
or something.

it's like 100 degrees here and I'm used to it being like 70, so please just ignore my brain-damage.
playgirl
Jul. 29th, 2009 02:10 am (UTC)
Affirmative action babies
Too late! Affirmative action babies we will have, and if they look like that baby in your icon, we'll have a dozen!

I'm use to the sizzling hot tempertures we get over here. It is always 100 degrees, and sometimes much more.. The sun rays are so hot, that they feel like a million little boiling hot needles stabbing your skin. It's always been a dry heat, but as of a couple of years, it's become very humid, where swamp coolers don't work at all. I recently had to buy a refrigeration air conditioner and have it installed in my computer room window. Feels wonderful! Hopefully, I'll soon buy one for the den, too.
p0stmdrnpr1mt1v
Jul. 29th, 2009 02:43 am (UTC)
Re: Affirmative action babies
ya part of me really hates the sniveling around here (including my own) over heat when it's relatively mild compared to other regions, but I think it's mainly due to not being conditioned or prepared for it. like, I dont have air conditioning and dont have a window that would be good for having an AC unit anyway. thankfully there's good insulation so it's more than 10 degrees cooler in here than outside. I think I got dehydrated though. I'm not feeling sick from that but I cant think and my memory is shot.

anyway, the important thing is that my heat-stroke impulse comment seduced you into being my baby-momma. I will carry all dozen of our offspring proudly in my "womb", and if we're lucky we can land a reality-tv contract.

you may find this shocking, but I'm not actually drunk.
however, I need to get offline and get some beer, now that I'm drinking for 13!

oh ya, and in case youre wondering that's not actually my baby pic... that's "Chippy" from the Tim & Eric Awesome Show
playgirl
Jul. 29th, 2009 05:15 am (UTC)
Re: Affirmative action babies
I know that's not your baby pic. I've seen you and you're a real cutee-pie.

The heat there is pretty mild compared to this city, but we're use to it. Like you said, we're conditioned for it. Try drinking a tall glass of ice tea with fresh lemon. It makes your insides so cold, which will help your body cool off a lot.
tigron_x
Jul. 29th, 2009 06:50 am (UTC)
"Corrections and Clarifications" my ass! That was a bunch of manipulation and bullshit! And terribad effort at that, too!

Who built Egypt? The Jews? No! The Egyptians did. Who built Trumps Empire? Trump did, not the thousands of employees he has hired over the years.

Point being: The one who gets credit for building anything, ever, is the ruling party.

Also, that memo is most likely taken out of context.

The track members he was refering to were the runners. Everyone knows black people don't play hockey. Cedric the Entertainer makes a joke about it in the "Kings of Comedy." Everyone knows the fastest runners in the Olypmpics have been black people over the years. Anyone who hasn't been locked up in a cave knows exactly what Pat was referencing.

This beeatch is just throwing mud and hoping it sticks.

Discalimer: I don't know Pat Buchanan very well. I don't know his ideals. I'm just calling it like I see it. And they're trying to make him out to be a racist because he objects to affirmative action.

And I'm calling bullshit on that.
donchep
Jul. 29th, 2009 02:49 pm (UTC)
Sorry she's completely spot-on. Your analogies are very faulty. egyptians built egypt, trumps built trump empire and Americans built America. Unless you believe America means whites only. Furthermore Buchanan has made such statements when it comes to Irish-Americans playing up their contributions to the railroads as white Americans yet ignoring the Chinese, African-Americans and Mexicans who contributed just as much to the same important leg of infrastructure in different parts of the country.
Buchanan isn't a racist because he disagrees with affirmative action. He's a racist because of what he says beyond that. To think anyone of color couldn't possibly have gotten anywhere on merit and only on affirmative action such as Sotomayor's whose academic standing put her in 2nd place in her graduating class is a very racist assumption. You know what. I got to school on my own merits and grades. I even paid my own tuition apart from the scholarships i received, but I was the target of narrow-minded bigots who think I only got in because of some affirmative action because somehow a minority wouldn't have gotten in otherwise. So, I can tell it like it is because I lived it.
I recognize people like Buchanan. I guarantee something. If Sotomayor punched a cop she'd be in prison and would not have been welcomed back to school.
That memo was likely NOT out of context considering Buchanan's other memos where he advised Nixon on ethnic "log-rolling" strategies such as countering any requests to put more people of color in government positions with statements that they put this Italian in this position, this Pole in that position, etc. Basically, he wasn't against affirmative action as long as they were "white" ethnics.
One way to win the Catholic vote, he said, was to appoint Catholic justices to the Supreme Court. As he wrote in a September 23, 1971 memo: “It means telling [journalist] John Chancellor and the New York Times that, no, we have not done anything for the blacks this week, but we have named a Pole to the cabinet and an Italian Catholic to the Supreme Court.”

http://students.washington.edu/trevorg/pdfs/Nixon/Buchanan.pdf

What context can you put this in that doesn't show Pat Buchanan's problem with affirmative action is only related to race?
You admit you don't know Pat Buchanan well but I've known Pat Buchanan as far back as the early 80's when he and Tom Braden were the original Crossfire guys on CNN. He's a racist prick who even went so far as to tell Nixon in 1969 not to meet with MLK's widow because it would upset the racists Nixon depended on and it would be bad for the country to acknowledge MLK.

He's a royal racist prick to the nth power.




tigron_x
Jul. 29th, 2009 07:23 pm (UTC)
    "To think anyone of color couldn't possibly have gotten anywhere on merit and only on affirmative action such as Sotomayor's whose academic standing put her in 2nd place in her graduating class is a very racist assumption."


You're right; it is. However, I don't see him making that assumption. He was going on Sotomayor's own words, and I paraphrase, "I'm an affirmative action baby." She did say that or something along those lines, right?

He very well might be racist. I'm not arguing whether he is or isn't. I'm arguing whether this media segment depicts racism. And I don't see that it does. I do, however, see this news entertainer trying to push the issue.


    "Sorry she's completely spot-on. Your analogies are very faulty. egyptians built egypt, trumps built trump empire and Americans built America. Unless you believe America means whites only. "


You're putting words in my mouth. I never said Americans built America. The term "American" refers to a diverse group of people. So my analogy was correct.

So, let me reiterate my point: slaves or involuntary servants are not credited with building anything, ever, because they're not the ruling party. The ruling party at the time the US government was formed was white males. The Declaration of Independence is unequivocal evidence of that.

Why white males? Because none of the slaves or involuntary servants had any say as to the direction of the newly founded nation.

The simple fact of the matter is that these slaves or involuntary servants were property and not citizens. To give them credit for building this nation would be to change history.

In other words, these slaves/involuntary-servants built the buidings, but they did not form the independent government that we see today.

Case and point: Who are the founding fathers? White males.
donchep
Jul. 29th, 2009 08:47 pm (UTC)
If you are going into the who built America in the abstract of the following fathers your pointing to viewpoint is correct, but a fallacy of the old historian. History was my major and we learned to study the fallacies of historians. But it's all moot because pat Buchanan clearly didn't put it in that context. He doesn't deal inthe abstract he relies heavily on a middle class/working class populism he's been using since his days out of the Nixon admin. In fact in his "white america" spiel he talked about them in populist terms especially when talked about them on the beaches of Normandy,etc. His argument went well beyond the colinial/slave days. He was purposefully exclusionary.

And Buchanan has stated this about white conservatives "These are the folks that pay the price of affirmative action when their sons and daughters are pushed aside to make room for the Sonia Sotomayors. "

In reference to her acceptance to Princeton and later Yale. Did he know someone who personally got put aside for her? Does someone who graduated 2nd inher class at an ivy league school; seem like they unfairly pushed someone else aside? He even stated that her admission to the Yale Law Review was an affirmative action choice. he dismissed her achievements and her class standing on what basis? And did he even bother to check the fact on how someone gets on the Yale Law Review? They're chosen by her fellow students. She was chosen by her own peers not to meet some standards of AA. He's an angry imbecile.

To be honest I know this from lots of his interviews so i don't know if this was onthe video that got posted. I know the context because I've known him for far too long.
tigron_x
Jul. 29th, 2009 10:16 pm (UTC)
Could you expound on the "fallacy of the old historian?"

I do recall him mentioning Normandy in that clip, and I in return shook my head because I know Puerto Rican's gained citizenship to the US as a birth right due to their service in the war.

So, I agree, he was exclusionary. And it does seem like he was overlooking Sotomayer's achievments because of her "affirmative action baby" comment. It's as if he was focusing solely on that comment to support his stance against her as well as to support his anti-affirmative action arguements.



poetpaladin
Jul. 29th, 2009 07:45 am (UTC)
Pat Buchanan got p0wn'd by Rachel Maddow in this "Fact Check". But remember, to millions of White Americans like Pat, "white folks'" contributions is all they remember.
ayoub
Jul. 29th, 2009 12:20 pm (UTC)
Wow...

Such a total racist!
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