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Nancy Pelosi said today that the Bush Administration did not tell her or the members of Congres that they were commiting acts of torture through waterboarding. I tend to believe Pelosi. What makes me even more suspicious about the Republicans is, that they all keeps saying that this torture issue should be left alone, and we should just move forward. They should have told that to Cheney the draft dodger a long time ago.

If ever there was a time for a thorough investigation into who knew what, who did what, and who has lied about all this, this is the time. Gather all the involved which includes Pelosi, Cheney, Bush, etc., and put them under oath when asked some very serious questions.

To what extent did the horrors of torture go that the Republicans convinced President Obama not to show those pictures to the public? I still love Obama, but his decision not to make the pictures public really disappointed me. I believe we as Americans, have a right to see, and know exactly what went on behind the closed doors of that dungeon.

I wonder what the other draft dodger, Rush Limb Whatever, will have to say about all this.

I welcome your opinions on this controvercial topic, and I hope we can all get our point across without losing our heads completely. :o)


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May. 14th, 2009 10:42 pm (UTC)
I get the feeling we're going to uncover more stuff about the Bush/Cheney administration as time rolls on.
May. 14th, 2009 10:57 pm (UTC)
It saddens me beyond words
Why has Bush not uttered a peep, while Cheney as contineously been squawking, since this new administration came into office? I feel Cheney is afraid that all the sordid details of the past 8 years will soon be exposed before the world.

It saddens me beyond words, because I love this beloved country so much.
May. 15th, 2009 03:30 am (UTC)
Re: It saddens me beyond words
President Bush is not uttering a peep because he is following the traditional protocol of an outgoing president: STFU. Cheney can't keep his fucking mouth closed because Cheney NEVER closed his mouth during 8 years of questionable power in the office of VP.
May. 15th, 2009 04:50 am (UTC)
Re: It saddens me beyond words
I rarely heard Cheney speak when he was Vice-President. I also believe I saw a pic of the man sleeping as Bush was speaking. Suddenly, the man has decided to talk non-stop. He's constantly trying to instill the fear tactics, bash President Obama, and admit that there was torture under their administration.
May. 16th, 2009 03:44 am (UTC)
Re: It saddens me beyond words
Just a quesk question WHy were you not as vocal when the liberal media was bashing Bush during his 8 years? WHY did you not say anything when the liberal media was slamming Chainey's Daughter and the fact that He stood beside her decisions because she was his Daughter and he loved her very much.

You never said anything because you had no care in politics until you started drooling over Obama. You are under his spell and believe he can do no wrong. and because you believe everything you read in the Huffington post and Moveon.crap, you cannot even see the light of day.

Did you even hear that Obama finally pulled his head out of his ass long enough TODAY to realise that we no longer have any money and cannot fund all the BS he has been pushing?

Remember all those jobs he promised??? Well today he has put thousands out of work by closing Chrysler and GM dealers all over the country, many who have been in operation for decades. How do you llike that CHANGE?? Wait till he starts to push his Universal Health Care, you will not even have that in your pocket.
May. 15th, 2009 01:33 am (UTC)
Pelosi has admitted that she was at the briefing and others at the briefing are countering her claims.

Obama is also saying the torture issue should be put behind us. Do you believe him to be an evil Republican?

According to Obama himself, the pictures in question are not as bad as the ones already released. Do you doubt his word?

Obama says having those pictures made available will cause more hatred of America and Americans and make even bigger targets of our soldiers. Do you still want to see them knowing that it might kill more Americans?
May. 15th, 2009 02:07 am (UTC)
How convienient...
1. I got this part from Huffington Post, and I believe her. She's the one who wants some kind of commission so the truth can be proven. The Republicans want it all swept under the rug, so the country can move forward. How convienient!!

Pelosi told reporters that the administration officials only told her and those in a classified briefing in the fall of 2002 that they believed they had the legal authority to do so, based on Office of Legal Counsel memos which have recently been released by the Obama administration.

"In that or any other briefing...we were not, and I repeat, were not told that waterboarding or any of these other enhanced interrogation techniques were used," said Pelosi. "What they did tell us is that they had some legislative counsel...opinions that they could be used, but not that they would."

Pelosi said that the officials promised to inform Congress if they ever did waterboard a detainee, but never did so.

2. I adore Obama, and forgive him, because as Jesus Christ said, "Forgive them, for they know not what they do."

The pictures aren't as bad as the first? Then why hide them? Are we little children who must be sent to bed before some spooky movies comes on TV?!!

3. Those pictures, if made available will cause more hatred? Impossible! The pictures we've all seen already are HORRIFIC!!

May. 15th, 2009 02:21 am (UTC)
Re: How convienient...
The Huffington Post is a propaganda rag and nothing more.

Is it that you believe Obama is stupid or that he is ignorant?

You don't think that having more pictures spread across the islamic countries won't cause even more violence? The previous pictures are out of the public eye. The public eye has moved to other things, both here and over there. You think only of the impact here. Think of the effect over there. Or is your morbid desire to see those photos and embarass Bush&co so strong you don't care about anyone else?

You are sounding like your old rabid self, drinking the kool-aid and spewing hate.
May. 15th, 2009 02:50 am (UTC)
Re: How convienient...
1. You're wrong about Huffinton Post. Fox is the blah, blah, and nothing more.

2.President Obama's IQ of 130 or even higher, definitely disqualifies him from being in the stupid or ignorant bracket.

3. Why is it that when a Democrat speaks up in defense of the party, someone says we're spewing hatred. Start watching Fox for the really hateful and vicious stuff.

Sorry, but the Republican Party instills the rabidness in me in a big way. Is it any wonder they're just about non-exitent?
May. 15th, 2009 04:21 am (UTC)
You haven't got a clue, have you?

You completely missed what his point was about Obama. He said Obama was against releasing the photographs. You're all for it. He asked if you believed Obama was either stupid or ignorant for it.

Huffington Post is rabidly left-wing. So is MoveOn.Ugh, for that matter. Say what you want about Fox, it doesn't change the facts about those two outlets.

Finally, it's not "speaking in defense of the party" when you're just desperate to attack the other side, damn the consequences. That's just mud-slinging.

By the way, Rush Limbaugh was saying the same thing about the left in 1994 when the Republicans routed the Democrats. He was as wrong then as you are now. Just thought you'd like to know, this will not end the way you'd like it to.
May. 15th, 2009 05:09 am (UTC)
Re: Fool.
No, I didn't miss the point. I'd rather die than say negative things about Obama! Although the man is as close to perfect as can be, he is human, and will make mistakes!

Damn the consequences?! Hey, who started this whole mess? Go tell that to Bush and Cheney! And as for the mud slinging, go watch Fox!!

I believe it will end as I, and millions would like. The day will come when all those in question, will have to show documents, and answer questions under oath.
May. 15th, 2009 04:12 pm (UTC)
Fool. AND a zealot.
So you're a zealot. You're exactly the kind of useful idiot that any political party would love to have. Der Fuhrer would be proud.

The start to this "mess" as you call it is irrelevant. The question now is, who wants to roll around in the mess and make things worse?
May. 16th, 2009 10:40 pm (UTC)
Re: Fool. AND a zealot.
Call me an idiot, a fool, or whatever else you want to call me, but I refuse to stick my head in a hole like an ostrich. I want to know exactly what happened.

The mere thought of tortue in this country, causes a cold chill to run down my spine. America is NOT suppose to torture.
May. 17th, 2009 03:49 am (UTC)
Re: Fool. AND a zealot.
The mere thought of tortue in this country, causes a cold chill to run down my spine. America is NOT suppose to torture.

And you were in the Army?

Call me an idiot, a fool, or whatever else you want to call me, but I refuse to stick my head in a hole like an ostrich.


I want to know exactly what happened.

Just finished a course on this. Here's some reading material for you.

First is a commentary on Slate regarding Pelosi.

Next come comments from two liberals. Jane Mayer wrote The Dark Side. Joseph Margulies wrote Guantanamo and the Abuse of Presidential Power.

Finally... hell, you don't want to hear anything the other side has to say, Ms. MoveOn.Org, but I'll give you a link anyway. War by Other Means by John Yoo.

Those were part of my required reading for my classwork. There are many more books available. Go to a library.
May. 15th, 2009 02:18 pm (UTC)
Re: How convienient...
FoxNews is not quite as bad as the Huffington Post, but they are both propaganda outlets.

If you believe Obama is both smart and good, why don't you accept his judgment on this issue? He has seen the pictures and weighed their impact on foreign policy, national security, and the safety of Americans aboard against what those pictures can add to the debate and decided that they are not worth the risk. Why do you second guess him?

I don't have to watch FoxNews to know of the hatred they spew. But, that does not justify stooping to their level. Being a Democrat and speaking up for the party does not mean one can not spread hate. Remember the excuse of "I am only doing what THEY do" make you no better than them. By saying you are doing no worse than Limbaugh & co., you are making yourself no better than they are.

I wish you would act more like Obama whom you admire so much. He seems to understand that this polarization and hatred is bad for America.

The Republican party may be waning, but they will not go extinct. In fact, there may be a different, or even a second, Republican party in the not too distant future.
May. 15th, 2009 02:58 am (UTC)
The Bush administration was a cancer to our country, i'm thinking Obama is surprised and maybe a bit overwhelmed how deep and widespread it went.
I know the country will recover, unlike many politicians who claim to be so uber-American but spew nothing but hate at people who are trying to heal our country, i beleive in America and it's stronger than they think it is.
May. 15th, 2009 03:13 am (UTC)
land of the free
The Bush Administration was not only a cancer to our country, but to my very soul, and for some unknown reason, I lived in fear, the kind of fear, the kind of fear the Jewish people must have felt for Hitler. I give thanks to God Obama is now our President!

I also have faith that this country will survive, and will once again be the land of the free.
May. 15th, 2009 04:48 am (UTC)
Re: land of the free

You're insane.

You lived in the kind of fear the Jews felt under Hitler????

Good fucking gods.....

Land of the what now? You haven't been paying attention.
May. 15th, 2009 05:13 am (UTC)
Re: land of the free
Oh yes, I was paying attention these past eight years. This is why I was terrified for our country! Now I can breathe again, thanks to President Obama!!
May. 15th, 2009 05:28 am (UTC)
Re: land of the free
Can I get an outline of what scared you so much you felt like you where going to the ovens?

There is a certain kind of light headedness that comes from not being responsible. Just ask BO.
May. 15th, 2009 06:31 am (UTC)
Re: land of the free
Outline? Nah. In a nut shell - Under the last administration, I felt we were all slowly losing our rights.

Obama is the most responsible man I've ever encountered via TV. Responsible as a husband, father, son, grand-son, and President.
May. 15th, 2009 03:37 am (UTC)
While I believe the extent and degree of the "humanitarian" torture was sugar-coated for Congress, I think Speaker Pelosi needs to lower her tone. Understandably, if you were lied to, then you probably have a good reason to out a little frustration. I find her a little too noisy. No disrespect to her, I don't think picking fights over the previous administration's performance will get us anywhere. Let Cheney do that.
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May. 15th, 2009 07:06 am (UTC)
They all made me see the true light!
Yes Suh, there was a time when I had gone off the deep end (shudder!). That was when I used to watch Hannity, Bill-O, and the rest of the Fox clan. One day I accidently changed the channel to MSNBC, and saw, and heard for the first time Keith Olbermann, who is now the new love of my life, Rachel Maddow, and Chris Matthews.

Oh! And I mustn't forget, the Huffington Post, Politico, and of course, Moveon.ORG which I found on the web.

They all made me see the true light!
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May. 15th, 2009 07:19 am (UTC)
Re: They all made me see the true light!
Playin' ya'll? It's a possibility. :o)

Seriously, I'm dead serious about my political views.
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May. 16th, 2009 10:26 pm (UTC)
Re: They all made me see the true light!
Sweet Pie, all my thoughts and conclusions are coming straight from my womenly intuition, and my heart.
May. 15th, 2009 06:59 am (UTC)
Right after 9-11, both Republicans and even Democrats were talking about how they should use any means to discover information from terrorist to prevent another attack on the US. The public supported their statements too cause no one really went ape shit over it in the media or the blogoshpere. It would not surprise me that Obama is trying to bury this cause he knows a lot of senior democrates he needs in congress and the senate would go down in flames if the torture stuff got aired out. Chaney is the kind of guy who would welcome going to prison if he could take down the Democrate party.
May. 15th, 2009 07:13 am (UTC)
Nah! Cheney is too rich, too comfortable, and too much a scarety cat to do that. Remember, this man who talks as if he were MILITARY savvy, was a draft dodger, as was that odious man, Rush Whatever!

I don't believe for a minute the Democrats had anything to do with any of it, and I'm sure everything will eventually come out. Could it be that President Obama was too shocked and dismayed by the pics he saw, that made him change his mind about releasing those photos?
May. 15th, 2009 02:13 pm (UTC)
*hugs you tight*
May. 16th, 2009 10:22 pm (UTC)
I sure needed that hug!!
May. 17th, 2009 02:08 pm (UTC)
*hugs you some more*

Many more where that came from, love...
May. 16th, 2009 01:55 am (UTC)
Liar Liar
She is nothing but a Liar and each story is just another lie. People who believe her need to give a little more thought to what she is saying. Possible one of the worst examples of people who are nothing but (all about their own power) she may have to resign her post. Lets hope so.
May. 16th, 2009 10:25 pm (UTC)
Re: Liar Liar
Liar, liar pants on fire! How I loved that little phrase as a kid. I still do! :o)

We shall all find out the truth soon, and I'll bet you one of my beloved gumball machines that Pelosi is telling the truth!!
May. 20th, 2009 03:51 pm (UTC)
Re: Liar Liar
I think she is lying and will stick with that.

Bet is on. I will donate to a charity if I am wrong and you can do the same thing if you are wrong.

May. 21st, 2009 03:24 am (UTC)
Re: Liar Liar
See, you THINK she is lying, which is good. Some Republican's are saying that she IS lying, which is not good, since they were not there, and don't have any proof. The same goes for me, and those who THINK she's telling the truth. We were not there, and just don't really know who is lying. I feel some type of truth investigation where all involved will be asked questions under oath.

Ron, the bet is on, but I can't afford to give to more charities. I already have $35.00 automatically withdrawn from my Am. Ex. card every month, and $18.00, and most recently upped to $22.00 for dogs and cats. Just as soon as I finish that Romantic domain site, I will lead you and the rest of my LJ friend's to it, and especially to my little African 5 year old girl I sponsor with WorldVision, and the the little dog and cat I sponsor through ASPCA. You'll see little Edith's picture, along with the 2 letters I've already received from her. I also pay for a monthly El Paso subscription to inmates at the San Antonio (Kenedy) prison, PLUS a a couple of dollars to a few inmates.

If it turns out I'm right about Pelosi, you send me some more of those delicious chocolate candies. If I loose, then I'll send you (I promised you once) some red chili from Hatch.

May. 16th, 2009 03:18 am (UTC)
Geeez who pissed in your cherrios??
First off WHERE in the Hell do you get your information from?? IS this more billious bullshit from Move-on dot shit?

1. Chainey was NOT a draft dodger, he was well past the age of the draft during Vietnam, and Colledge defermnent was not a dodge, for those who were able to use it.

Limbaugh is close to my age and when he became eligible for the draft, they had stopped drafting for Vietnam service. So he is not a draft dodger, I enlisted since the draft had stopped.

Now as for Pelosi, She is not and always has been a liar, aside from being a power hungry bitch that realises now that she is up to her over lifted face in shit. PLEASE tell me the duifference between being briefed and being told something... She knew what waqs going on and she saiod nothing because they wanted information as much as anyone back then. You can tell she is lying by watching her eyes and mannerisms. She knows she is on the edge of loosing her position.

If the CIA would just release the minutes of the meetings you would see that she knew exactly what was going on. Hopefully the Freedom of indformation requests will bring them forward but I wonder if they will be locked away just like Obama's so called US birth certificate. Hey thats it put Obama on the stand under oath and make him produce the birth certificate he had the Govoner of Hawaii lock away. Lets see if he is even eligible to fuck up the country as much as he has.

Finally Waterboarding is far from torture, Our own troops are waterboarded as part of SEAR training so they get an idea of what it is like. Unfortunately those who we have fought against did not use techniques that tame. If you would like to learn a bit about torture that the VC used on our troops I can recommend a book by James Bond Stockdale, who was a prisoner in the Hanoi Hilton. You already know what the ragheads do to our troops, Beheading and dragging their naked corpses through the streets. And you are worried about someone getting wet or letting a catapillar crawl on them????
May. 16th, 2009 10:20 pm (UTC)
Re: Geeez who pissed in your cherrios??
You are wrong about Cheney and Rush.

I looked it up, and both Cheney and Rush were NOT past the age of the draft.

The draft came to its end in 1973. Cheney was born in 1941, and Rush in 1951. Both were eligible for the draft.

College deferments are only two words for DRAFT DOGERS!!
May. 16th, 2009 10:44 pm (UTC)
Re: Geeez who pissed in your cherrios??
Chaney was a bit old, the draft was not taking anyone over 25, so that let Chainey off and If I remember correctly he was already married. Rush did not dodge it is possible that his number never was called. He did not have a deferment for College.

and College deferment did NOT mean Draft Dodger because many enlisted after college and many went in as part of their ROTC training. but if you feel so strongly why did your precious messiah join up and serve like he wants all the youth to do now? OR could it be that he is NOT a citizen?

I notice you made no comment about Pelosi's lying mouth.
May. 16th, 2009 11:02 pm (UTC)
Re: Geeez who pissed in your cherrios??
There is absolutely no excuse for them not having served during the Vietnam war. In my eyes, they are draft doders.

Draft or no draft, I joined the Army when I was 17 years old. Since I wasn't of age yet, the recruiter went to Mom and Dad, and they signed on the dotted line.

As for Pelosi, none of us know for a fact that she lied. Just as death and taxes are inescapable, the truth will eventually come out.

I've placed all my Easter Eggs in Palosi's basket! :o)
May. 17th, 2009 03:51 am (UTC)
Re: Geeez who pissed in your cherrios??
I've taken to calling it MoveOn.Ugh, myself.
May. 16th, 2009 06:30 pm (UTC)
It's very sad that all of these people attacking someone who posted on livejournal are so damn rude. She simply asked that no one lose their head, yet some people can't resist resorting to name-calling, much like a 7 year old. My apologies on behalf of everyone else, Playgirl.

Sidenotes -
1) Pelosi isn't on the edge, that just makes me LOL =P
2) If Obama wasn't born in the United States, I highly doubt that he would have made it anywhere near this far in his political career without that information coming to light/preventing him from running alltogether.
May. 16th, 2009 10:48 pm (UTC)
1. You apparently have not been around much we always get into good discussions.

2. Pelosi is so far on that edge she has splintyers in her ass

3. Read your history of Chicago Politics, When half the people in the graves in Chicago end up voting, anything can happen and has. Obama is as much as an American as Joseph Stalin!
May. 16th, 2009 11:08 pm (UTC)
1) Name calling is name calling...I really don't see the relevance to how long I've been around.

2) We simply disagree.

3) Chicago politics are messy, this is true. However Obama being as much of an American as Joseph Stalin is laughable. Talk about propaganda...
May. 16th, 2009 11:10 pm (UTC)
1. I know, and I've missed our deep discussions over controvercial stuff a lot!! Just as soon as I get my act together, I'll start posting all the stuff that contineously goes through my head, and I have more thoughts and beliefs than ever before!

2. I honestly believe Pelosi has reacted in a most COOL manner!!

3. Stick and stones may break my bones, but words can never hurt me! :o) Obama can do no wrong in my eyes. I L-O-V-E that man with all my heart and soul.
May. 16th, 2009 10:55 pm (UTC)
Some sure did lose their heads, huh? They're views about everything, including me, don't bother me at all. Their bark is worse than their bite, and I know down deep inside they don't despise me too much! :o)

Thank you for standing up for me and my right to express my beliefs, whether they be wrong or right!!

Freedom of speech - what a wonderful thing!

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