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First of all, something strange happened to my LJ. Somebody or something deleted my main icon, and replaced it with an icon of a man holding his ears. This icon wasn’t even in my icon list where I went in to delete it. I have already CHANGED my password!!

Welfare:
I absolutely do NOT want any American citizen to go hungry, especially children. BUT…

I realize that we’re living in rough times, but I have noticed since forever, that there has been great abuse with our Welfare. I buy most of my groceries at Sam’s, but I still have to go to regular groceries stores to buy certain items that aren’t sold at Sam’s, and these are the times I always see stuff bought by welfare recipients that should NOT be able to be purchased with the Lone Star card.

I travel miles and miles to this grocery store, because they have the best bakery, and they also sell the best chili con carne burritos. 99% of the customers there buy with the Lone Star (food stamps). I saw this family there, buying a huge birthday cake, and when one of their little girls said she wanted cupcakes, too, they bought her about a dozen.

I saw these two guys, who were about 25 years old buy 2 BLOCKS each, of Munster cheese. I have seen people buy candy, soda pop, TV dinners, ice cream, and the list goes on and on. I have seen grocery carts filled to the brim with stuff that I, who works, would never even think of buying. I have seen milk, bread, etc., on sale, but I have seen these people just walk up and without a thought, just pick up whatever is in front of them. NEVER, have I seen them buy items I mostly buy, items such as corn bread, flour, oatmeal, beans, pastas, and OFF brand items. Never have I seen them with a grocery list, either. I honestly don’t believe this mother’s don’t even know how to make a HEALTHY meal from SCRATCH. Why? Because they have never had to, since they have always bought instant stuff.

As I mentioned before, I don’t want anyone to go hungry, but I do want the system to give these people just enough so they will have to shop for groceries as those of us who work do. I want them buy items where they will actually have to cook. I want them to make their own cornbread, pancake mix, beans, spaghetti, pizza, etc. from scratch as I do. I want the system to ban them from buying meals already prepared from the bakery, birthday cakes, pastries, candy, and soda pop. I want the system to force these people to buy OFF brand items. The baby formula is actually locked up, because of the outrageous price. I want the system to provide FREE BIRTH CONTROL to these women, and if they continue having babies, I want the system to withdraw a LARGE chunk of MONEY, and food stamp benefits. I want the system to STOP admitting at the county hospital, women who take a kid because he has the sniffles!! I want FREE lunch at schools stopped. I want these mothers to actually make their kids peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, just as my mom made for all us five kids! I want Headstart to come to a stop. My brothers and I were never able to go, because my dad made a couple of pennies about the limit to qualify.

I want the system to enter the homes of these welfare recipients and CHECK to see if a man is shacking up in there, eating and enjoying from the bounty we the tax payer pays for.

All in all, I do give thanks to God that the welfare program exists for families who need it for a LITTLE while, until they get back on their feet, but I don’t want it to be a FOREVER career! I want these people to suffer, just as you and I suffer when it comes to eating, having a roof over our heads, having health care, and having an OLD car.




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nahele_101
Feb. 10th, 2009 08:02 pm (UTC)
I think its kinda funny you are ranting about food stamps, and ignoring the massive amount of CORPORATE welfare given out. We gave $45 BILLION to Citi group bank. A private company, who is using that money to buy up more banks and paying $400 MILLION to have its name put on a stadium.

People are always going to rip off the system. Its how it works. That being said, I rather our government focus on trying to eliminate all the loopholes and bonuses we give large businesses and not worry so much about food stamp abuse.

The fact is Americans by and large DON'T cook for themselves anymore. Processed food with lists as long as the bible exist and people gobble them up. Its the 'merikan way, ma'am. We want food fast, quick and with little hassle. Props to you for cooking for yourself and knowing how to make things from scratch. Its a good skill to have.

I rather have 1,000 families eating poorly and taking whatever pleasure that birthday cake gave them use food stamps, then have a single Wall Street Millionaire investment banker walk away with more tax payer money.

I don't understand why you want to take away cheap or free medical from people either. That shows a lack of compassion in my opinion. I agree with you that welfare shouldn't be forever, but also know that often times low income jobs don't pay enough to get by on for larger families.

I am all for reducing family sizes, and encouraging women to get educated and move up and out of poverty. The thing is though, one in ten families in 'merika are on food stamps now according to CNN. Its only going to get worse. Who do you really want the government to focus its energy on? The lowly food stamp abuser or the people who lead us into this mess and made billions from it?

Pick your battle.
playgirl
Feb. 10th, 2009 08:34 pm (UTC)
Kinda funny
No, it isn’t kinda funny that I have omitted the billions given out to corporate banks. It would have taken pages upon pages to add that to this post. For now, I have expressed my feelings on Welfare recipients who have refused to get off the system.

Yes, we want fast food and hassle free, but for those of us who can’t afford that, we do without that stuff. And as for accusing me of not having compassion, you are wrong. I have very little, but I make it a point to continue sponsoring a little girl from Africa, who has NOTHING, and who has one of her little eyes just about gone. I also sponsor a dog and a cat. I have chosen to help these causes in my own little way, because they are the ones who have NOTHING to eat, who are abused, and as for my little girl Edith, she lives in an Aids infested country.

I have also had a homeless man living with me (Grandpa). I work and try to provide what ever I can for his creature comforts. Since he doesn’t have insurance, I drive to Mexico to buy his medications.

I didn’t mean to toot my horn in any way here, but I found it extremely offensive that you have accused me of not having compassion.

I have personally seen women take their kids to the doctor and even to the hospital because of some ailment which could have been taken care of at home. I have seen kids who have been EXTREMELY sick who should have gone to the doctor but couldn’t, because the family couldn’t afford to do so.

So, you’d rather have families buy 1,000 birthday cakes to make them happy? What about those families who WORK, and CAN NOT afford to buy even ONE birthday cake. Guess what? Birthday cakes can be baked at home. Just buy a couple of boxes of cake mix, make your own frosting (it’s so easy), some candles, and you have a birthday cake for about 5 buck, unlike the one at the bakery that cost 30 BUCKS or more.

MANY of these women have some man shacking up with them. Not only are these women and their children costing us our hard earned money, but so are these LAZY BUMS who impregnate these women.

You’re right, people will continue to rip of this country, and I want it to STOP, because we are the ones who are doing without!
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Re: Kinda funny - nahele_101 - Feb. 10th, 2009 10:18 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: Kinda funny - playgirl - Feb. 11th, 2009 12:42 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: Kinda funny - nahele_101 - Feb. 11th, 2009 12:54 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: Kinda funny - kjnk - Feb. 11th, 2009 02:46 pm (UTC) - Expand
neo_prodigy
Feb. 10th, 2009 08:12 pm (UTC)
The icon change has happened with many users. Basically it's where something gets messed up with LJ's servers and people's icons change. The actual pic is still the same but it displays something else.

If you clear out your cache, that should do the trick and if not contact LJ support and they can fix it for you.
playgirl
Feb. 10th, 2009 08:50 pm (UTC)
Thank you for this information!
ayoub
Feb. 10th, 2009 08:27 pm (UTC)
Welfare as a career is very not good...

Too many people here do it.

*love and hugs*
playgirl
Feb. 10th, 2009 09:08 pm (UTC)
Welfare as a temporary means is good. I agree with you that when it's used as a career, it is not good at all.

Lots of love and hugs!
nawlins_penguin
Feb. 10th, 2009 08:27 pm (UTC)
Honestly, I recall a lot of debates over this topic and nothing has ever been done to fix it. There are, obviously, a major amount of welfare recipients here (ours is called the Louisiana Purchase card), and I see them with regularity at the grocery. I agree wholeheartedly that there are those among us who do not have the means to put dinner on the table, and, to that point, there must be a provision from our food rich society to them.

However, and you knew'd there be one, I see some fundamental issues with how it's done. I don't know if there's some kind of federal guideline, but what I see being bought, and some of the folks that are buying, just doesn't sit right.

Case in point, college students. I know it's tough to make end meet in college, but it's always been tough to make it in college. So why would someone who's got better than poverty housing, with better than most societal accesses, need a handout? I realize exceptions exist, but if I have a full scholarship to Harvard (just saying) and only have a stipend, why would I need to qualify for welfare? Technically, they could. And do.

Or perhaps there's the other character, in the form of the borderline welfare recipient, whose got a cash-rich income, whose official taxable income qualifies. I'm relegated to barely keeping three kids fed and this person's wearing shoes worth more than my grocery bill. That's pretty fucked up. And added insult to injury is what you mentioned, in the purchase of processed foods, at higher prices and less nutrition.

I'm digressing. Seriously, there are two things that I think would improve the qualifications, and likely enhance other issues. One is workfare. I haven't heard anyone talk about workfare since the late 80s. It's a legitimate program, barely touched by our politicians. Welfare's too sacred a cow, maybe? Too many people maybe claiming it's the equivalent of indentured servitude?

The second thing is a VAT, like a national consumption tax, but graduated according to categories and stage of production. It's complicated, but the net result is a reduction in the costs of goods closer to the producer, and virtually no taxes on exports. It also cashes in on folks who find the loopholes in income taxes. You buy a BMW, you pay the VAT, no matter how much you make.

playgirl
Feb. 10th, 2009 09:06 pm (UTC)
Workfare
Let me tell you how screwd up the system is. I once reported this woman who was on the system. She had a man living with her who was not suppose to be there. I got a visit from the representative and she had the woman I had reported with her!! She asked me if this was the woman who had a man living with her. What could I say but no. The man living with her looked like a very mean character.

I have seen people who have paid with their Lone Star cards drive off in really fancy cars, not to mention the women were dressed to kill, along with their many children.

Times are rough right now, and many families who had always worked for their bread and butter are without jobs now. These are the families who now need assistance, and righfully so, since they are the ones who have always paid with their tax dollars for the program, and they absolutely plan on getting out of this system when they finally find a job.

What I'm against are those who started off with welfare from the beginning, and have never gotten off, and their children have done the same.

I believe in the welfare system as a means to help when help is needed, and not for those who have never worked a day in their lives. These are the ones who anger me.

I've never heard of Workfare. What is it? Why would people claim indentured servitude?
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Re: Workfare - playgirl - Feb. 11th, 2009 12:27 am (UTC) - Expand
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burningblue
Feb. 10th, 2009 09:50 pm (UTC)
Your concern for the poor and unfortunate shows that you have a heart the size of Texas! God bless you and keep you always!

Love,

Johnny
burningblue
Feb. 10th, 2009 09:53 pm (UTC)
And I DO agree with you that far too many abuse the welfare system, but again, I think your concern for folks who are real need is wonderful.
playgirl
Feb. 11th, 2009 12:35 am (UTC)
butter
Thank you Sweet Pie.

Someone here stated that I am heartless, and I am, but only towards those who have abused the system at tax payer dollars.

Again, give them MUCH less, so they'll have to toil for their bread and butter, just like we do. For those who have always worked, and now find themselves without a job, the government SHOULD help them. Should you and I lose our jobs (God forbid), then by all means, the government should help bail us out till we find a job again. If the fat cats got their bail out, why not us…Huh?!
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playgirl
Feb. 11th, 2009 12:03 am (UTC)
On January 19th, the company...
I am so sorry! But one thing you've got going for you is, that you're extremely intelligent.

By looking at the long lines of at least 1000 people trying to apply for 20 or 30 jobs, is starting to look like the way it must have looked during the Great Depression.

Everyone is losing their job, and those of us who still have ours, continue to keep our fingers crossed. I myself don't know when the hatchet will fall for me.

This is exactly why I believe government assistance was created; for those who have worked all their lives, and who have found themselves in some catastrophe where they can't work. I don't believe government assistance was created for those who have always refused to work for a living, and who have non-stop remained on the system.

This soon to be Depression which will be far worse than the one of the past, didn't happen all by itself. I must blame some entity, and for me it's Bush and his administration for this nightmare which has affected so many hard working families, and which will continue to affect countless more. I blame it all on the corruption, a war that has cost us billions upon billions, the abuse of so many programs such as welfare, Mother Nature's rage against those fat cats who have abused her (rainforests, seas) so much for the almighty buck, and I blame all of us for having taken so many things for granted, and for not having put more attention to those in power.

I do feel that a full investigation should start, as to exactly WHO is responsible for our present situation.

I believe the era of the “Survival of the Fittest” has begun.

I realize I don’t know what I’m talking about here; it’s just little things going through my head.

I’m so glad you’ve found some help, because you’ve worked all your life!
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uglyface2
Feb. 11th, 2009 05:44 am (UTC)
Welfare: It gets abused. It's not going away. There aren't enough people in "the system" to check up on every recipient, and even then, how are you ever going to pull it off without violating the Fourth Amendment?

On your own purchases: You know where your money is going. It's your own decision to spend it as you are. You choose not to spend it on name-brand foods and new clothing; that's fine, but it doesn't make you a saint.

On this bakery: Tell me more.
photosexual
Feb. 11th, 2009 05:49 am (UTC)
I've been fortunate to have avoided nearly all forms of public assistance in my life. In 2005, I was in such a bad spot, the local food bank was the only resource for food I had, short of unsolicited charitable donations. And there are a few observations about food bank food that I share with you.

1. I didn't know how to cook until this year. My health forced me to learn to cook low fat, low salt, low cholesterol food or suffer some serious health problems based on my diet from prepared food.

The food bank was loaded with food that was either prepared, or was individually so horrible that even cooking with it was a high fat/salt adventure. And if you cried for their 'special diet' program, your pickings got to be even less. They also had things for people who 'couldn't cook' in the sense that they had no actual electricity or appliances to do so - not like me, who could 'bake' things or heat them up. And it all was just *bad*. Granted, It helped me survive, but the food was just bad for you. Even if you could cook, you'd get so few pieces and parts of things that they wouldn't make a sane meal or recipe. Or if they did, you'd have the same thing for what would likely be weeks on end.

I struggled with the concept of that sort of help. Where in WA, if you made more than 1000 bucks per month, you couldn't have food stamps. You were doing too well. And in the city of Seattle, 1000 bucks really doesn't even pay rent anymore, so even if you made 1200 bucks per *month*, you were too rich to get food assistance where you could buy your choice of healthy food at a grocery store with stamps.

I would love to see a program that takes people at a financial disadvantage, and offers them cooking skills that trade off for food stamps, and maybe even limits on what they could buy with the stamps that aren't "prepared fast food" but healthier individual ingredients that help a person eat healthily even if it's only one meal per day.

I gained more weight "starving" than I ever did just eating halfway right. The ingredients in the food at the food bank ruined me faster than free spending ever did. It was a double edged sword.

tigron_x
Feb. 11th, 2009 09:00 am (UTC)
I'm willing to bet that if the government began imposing restrictions on what people could buy with food stamps, many corporations in the food industry would lobby against it because in the end it affects their bottom dollar.

That's just a guess though. I'd have to follow the "money" to see how it all flows.

Personally, I think these people should be held responsible for the aid they receive. There shouldn't be any hand-me-outs whatsoever. Something should be traded in the process. Of course if people want to give freely, then let them be at liberty to do so; do not use police power to enforce welfare taxes on the people. Redistributing wealth doesn't help anyone. It destroys the overall incentive to work.
playgirl
Feb. 18th, 2009 11:18 pm (UTC)
I believe you're right about it affecting their bottom dollar. There should be a place where we can lobby, also, since welfare abuse affects out bottom dollar, too.
i_love_tazzus
Feb. 11th, 2009 03:35 pm (UTC)
I admire your plea to make people buy better stuff to cook. However, that's right in line with trying to legislate morality. It can't really be done without all of society becoming uncontrollably violent, and besides... even I like *some* junk once in a while! ;)

Speaking of which, I was watching a very interesting documentary on PBS last night about one particular drug task force that used to be in Texas.

http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/tuliatexas/

I'm not sure if all of the drug task forces are as bad as this one was. But it got me thinking... the same amount of effort being put for this could certainly be used to help prop up poorer folks, instead of merely arresting them, and putting them in the clink, where their inner demons sometimes come out for the worse.



playgirl
Feb. 18th, 2009 11:21 pm (UTC)
I like junk food too, but these people eat junk food all the time, instead of actually cooking a healthy meal, which comes out cheaper.

I honestly believe that by putting them in the clink, where the room is smaller than a doghouse, is done on purpose so they'll end end up going nuts!
dlanor
Feb. 12th, 2009 03:26 am (UTC)
Welfare
Wow, and I thought you were a giant Liberal loving Democrat. Your words are not the words of your party. There is hope for you yet.

On a real vein: you are right, I agree with you all the way. Can you believe it? I think the system is broke and there really is no way to fix it. The people who work for the County trying to make it work are overwhelmed. Those receiving have been doing it so long they know every trick and the poor miserable taxpayer just pays and pays and pays.

We have become a nation of fast food, and there is nothing that can be done about it. Eventually they will all die of obesity, then there will only be you and me left and I am not too sure about me.
playgirl
Feb. 18th, 2009 11:15 pm (UTC)
Re: Welfare
I suppose I sound like a Rep, but I'm still a Demo all the way. I suppose the only way I can explain my political views is by comparing it to my religion. I'm a Catholic, but do not believe in some of its rules. :o)
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daddy
Feb. 14th, 2009 01:36 am (UTC)
You have seen nothing yet... wait till Obama's porkulus bill goes into effect.

Remember those great rebates he promised?? 13 dollars a week starting in June then dropping to 8 dollars in January, but you wil never see it because he wants to do away with Bush's tax cuts.

Pelosi will be spending your tax mioney to save some stupid mouse in San Francisco, a;ong with all the other earmarks in every stater in the union

Look here:

http://www.stimuluswatch.org/project/by_state

to see ALL the pork that Obama says is NOT in there.

You will see there is not a lot there that HELPS anyone finantially except the Democrats who wanna keep the welfare rolls full so they will continue to get their votes.

Just another lie from Obama, like NO lobbiest in his white house, actually there are 3, ALL bills will be on the Internet for 5 days before he signs them, screw that he signs the pork bill monday, after Pelosi broke the HOUSE RULES by not allowing bills to be perused and read for 48 hours before being voted on. AND where was the reaching across the isle that obama promised?

AND dont forget what I warned about months ago...
you loosing your firearms... Firearms Legislation In The 111th Congress:

http://gunowners.org/111anatb.htm

NOT to mention HR1, and the medical database that the GOVT will use to ban forearms from anyone who is prescribed any type of medication that is mind akltering or who is diagnosed with PTSD or any other type of psychiatric disorder. Like so many Vets that are just now comming home, or who has ever served...

Little one, I hate to say it, but its only gonna get worse and you will never hear about any of the dirty deals that the democrats are working on by reading Moveon.org. or listening to Olberman



see_dog
Mar. 18th, 2009 02:39 am (UTC)
I agree. Welfare is there for a reason. I can relate to that because currently I am on Employment Insurance...not welfare. But I have things on the go an a desire to succeed. I never understood how people can just let their life slip through their finger and simply not care. You're the only one who can change your own life.

Oh and long time no chat :P
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