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AMERICA WILL FALL



A Russian professor has predicted that the United States of America will fall apart by the year 2010, which is nothing new, since I’ve heard this comment before from the people of Mexico, and other countries. Strange that they have foreseen the inevitable, while we have been oblivious to it all.

What has lead to the beginning of the end of not only this country, but of our planet? GREED and CORRUPTION by many of those in power, and greed by most of us plastic LITTLE folks, too. Worshipping that almighty dollar has created pretentious heartless little robots that are constantly competing against our neighbors by charging on plastic credit cards (which have made us just as plastic) to the max. I’ve always been appalled how so many people spend astronomical amounts of money on weddings, HUGE brand new gas guzzler vehicles, BIG fancy houses, and expensive brand new designer clothes. What good will it do us, or what pretentiousness will we express when we’re 6 feet under?

There’s no shame in buying just about everything 2nd hand. Not only do you save money, but Mother Earth, also. There’s no shame in living within our means; it’s amazing what we can do without. The shame lies in being so full of ourselves and never giving thought to helping those in need; both human-beings and animals; there is so much hunger and pain in this world!

By and by, have any of you studied survival skills? If not, you better!

Thoughts please.



Moveon.ORG



"The Right Of The People To Keep and
Bear Arms, Shall Not Be infringed."!

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jasonecaesar
Dec. 30th, 2008 10:17 pm (UTC)
Logical.
Has there been a single government that has lasted much longer than 300 years?
ninjaguydan
Dec. 30th, 2008 10:53 pm (UTC)
Re: Logical, but you need to see the big picture...
I would argue that we have not really had the same government for 300 years...that's the thing about this country, it's an ever evolving monster...we've probably been stuck in the same form since FDR, I mean we still don't have slavery and institutionalized racism anymore and we're probably more socialistic now than the Chinese...

-)
Re: Logical. - playgirl - Dec. 31st, 2008 12:56 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: Logical. - jasonecaesar - Dec. 31st, 2008 01:05 am (UTC) - Expand
ayoub
Dec. 30th, 2008 10:21 pm (UTC)
There is truly no shame in living within our means!

Well said, love :D
playgirl
Dec. 31st, 2008 12:59 am (UTC)
Thank you Sweet Pie. Happiness is doing without a few things, so that we may help at least one unwanted child or little animal that have so little.
dolston
Dec. 30th, 2008 10:36 pm (UTC)
I wouldn't put too much stock in his words. Canada has supposedly been on the verge of falling apart since I was born. We have problem. You have problems.

Most people are reasonable and willing to compromise. Unfortunately the moderates tend not to be as motivated as the zealots nor do they produce good sound bites so they have been ignored for years.

I think that is changing, though. I hope I am right.
playgirl
Dec. 31st, 2008 01:30 am (UTC)
North Pole
Yes, it's changing, but only because we're starting to hit rock bottom. Perhaps this is what we all needed in order to open our eyes and see how foolish we have been when it comes to our money, and our earth.

I still have hope for this beloved country of ours, but only because of President elect Obama. Had McCain won, I would have caught the nearest taxi to the North Pole! :o)
ninjaguydan
Dec. 30th, 2008 10:50 pm (UTC)
That almost made me spit up my vodka...
Hah!

I bet the wonderful utopia of czar vladimir falls apart way before we do...

Americans, don't piss us off...
-)
playgirl
Dec. 31st, 2008 01:37 am (UTC)
Re: That almost made me spit up my vodka...
Well, I sure hope it wasn't Diva Premium Vodka yo almost spit up! I'd never forgive myself! :o)

harley1456
Dec. 30th, 2008 11:34 pm (UTC)
I think that this country grew strong on our bounty of natural resourses more that "Yankee enginuity".....and now those resources are being squandered. It will be the end of us, because, like it or not, we are just a group of people.....just like people all over the world and nothing other than those resources made us any better. PLUS in the emerging world the economy is not driven by resources....it is being driven by ideas....and I am not really convinced that our schools are keeping up with what is nessesary to form minds in the new era.

I have great survival skills, and I practice....I have tanned leather with brains, I have preserved meat with salt, I have made fire with sticks. I have ammo....

I also have real skills...if it ever get BAD>..I have a shop and a welder...I can always make a living. I love thrift stores....I ask my family to either make or buy second hand for me for x-mas.
playgirl
Dec. 31st, 2008 01:21 am (UTC)
ammo....
True. And who continues to squander our natural recourses? The rich and powerful, so they may become even richer and more powerful by ravaging our rain forests and the list goes on. Mother Nature has not been shown love and respect, and for this she is enraged. We have seen only the beginning of her anger.

The only survival skills I have right now, are my weapons. I have been trying to read as much as possible about the Great Depression. I regret with all my heart that I once had an elderly neighbor who lived through the Depression, and she tried to teach me how to make a soup made out of weeds. I regret not having the time or interest in asking her many questions as to how she and her 6 children survived!! At least she taught me how to make the best quilt ever! :o) Before it’s too late, I hope to learn as much as you have about survival.

Our plummeting economy will get worse, and will definitely bring a high rate of crime. We must be prepared to defend property, ourselves, and in my case, all my 4-legged babies, and the only way to do so is (as you put it) with “ammo!”
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Re: ammo.... - playgirl - Dec. 31st, 2008 03:15 am (UTC) - Expand
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brute_force
Dec. 31st, 2008 12:17 am (UTC)
Greed... yup.
nobody needs all those things...
.. but spending thousands on guns just so little people can pretend it will make them safe?, I'm sure that makes sense somehow.

And before you tell me how horrible it is in Mexico because the citizens have no guns to protect them selves, tell me, Where did all the bandits get their guns? The Good Ol' USA, That's where.
playgirl
Dec. 31st, 2008 12:53 am (UTC)
Re: Greed... yup.
Yes, Greed and corruption.

Death of the innocent is what’s reaped by gun control; this is why Mexico is now in the pickle it’s in. When good citizens aren’t allowed to own a weapon, you better believe crime will follow. It really doesn’t matter where thugs get their guns, because they will get them by hook or by crook. If they want those guns badly enough, they’ll make their own.

In Texas, citizens can’t only own guns, but can also carry a concealed weapon. Of course, we must first go through the legalities to own one legally, registration, etc. Perhaps this is the reason we have so little crime, especially in El Paso. Remember, we are a skip and a holler away from a city that has absolutely NO law. RARELY do we El Pasoan’s have criminals trying to break into our homes, or trying to mug us when we’re out in the streets. Could this be because they realize that we just might have a rifle in our homes to protect ourselves, or a pistol while driving? I think so!

If some creep tries to break into my home, I want equal opportunity to protect myself!

Let me ask you this question. If a vicious, ruthless, blood thirsty killer breaks into your home with a gun, what are you going to do to try and save your life without a gun? I pray to God this never happens, because if it ever did, you wouldn’t stand a chance at staying alive.
:).. before... - brute_force - Dec. 31st, 2008 02:29 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: :).. before... - playgirl - Dec. 31st, 2008 02:58 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: :).. before... - uglyface2 - Dec. 31st, 2008 05:59 am (UTC) - Expand
I've seen those too.... - brute_force - Dec. 31st, 2008 09:09 am (UTC) - Expand
robdurham
Dec. 31st, 2008 12:41 am (UTC)
When America comes apart, I wonder who will come to the aid of every country with a war or weather crisis. And even if America does come apart, somehow the NFL will remian stable and that's all that matters to me.
playgirl
Dec. 31st, 2008 01:39 am (UTC)
NFL
Should America come apart, the whole world will follow, even the NFL AND (SOB) the Willy Wonka Chocolate Factory! :o(
dlanor
Dec. 31st, 2008 02:35 am (UTC)
There is no point in spending our lives accumulating earthly possessions, we can not take them with us when we die, the only thing we keep in death is Virtue.

We have only one important business in life: To save our soul. Should you not think about it every day?

The world and all it contains is as nothing to the man/woman for whom God is everything.
playgirl
Dec. 31st, 2008 03:12 am (UTC)
HIGH
I tend to accumulate earthly possession, but only possessions purchased at 2nd hand shops, but then each year around this time, I gather them all and give them away to the Salvation Army or Goodwill, then I start all over again, buying possessions that become dust collectors.

I've often wondered how people like that man who stole billions can sleep at night (didn't he finally commit suicide?); that man and many others in HIGH positions; I won't name them, but I believe we all know their names.

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(no subject) - inspectorjury - Dec. 31st, 2008 03:24 pm (UTC) - Expand
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inspectorjury
Dec. 31st, 2008 03:17 am (UTC)
It is my belief that the United States will continue to exist for many years yet. The reason for this is that people get the kind of government they want. Unlike the fallen empires we have the ability to change our government without resorting to revolution. So unless there is a real crack down on personal freedoms I think our populace will continue to just go with the flow.
playgirl
Dec. 31st, 2008 04:12 am (UTC)
ear to ear
I pray you're right! Yes, we complain about this and that, but thank God we live in America.

Who is that adorable little baby that makes me smile from ear to ear? When you and I get married, we're having one that looks just like him!
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lemmy59
Dec. 31st, 2008 04:38 am (UTC)
I have hope for our country. I agree with you and others who have commented that this crisis may be what many people need to wake up and realize that the biggest house, fastest car, and fanciest dress are nice but not necessary. As someone whose job has left the country, I know what people are going through firsthand. But many of us are making the best of things, doing what we can to have the best we can, even if it means buying generic food brands and not eating out as much, or looking through our closet and wearing clothes we'd forgotten about instead of buying unnecessary new ones. I hate to say it, but hard times are what America needed to realize what we have and appreciate it. I know I do, and I never had a lot of money to begin with! :) I didn't vote for Obama but have been pretty impressed so far with his cabinet choices and his ideas to help get this country back on track.
playgirl
Dec. 31st, 2008 09:48 pm (UTC)
I also have hope for this country's survival, but only because Obama won the election. He has inherited a horrible 8 year mess, but he is an extremely intelligent man, and can keep his cool like no other I have ever seen.

I'm sorry about your job. It's happening to many of us. If the people who lived through the Great Depression survived, why can't we?! We are survivors.

Sometimes, hitting rock bottom, forces us into reality; the reality of our once wasteful ways, and how we took for granted so many blessings.

Wishing you a very Happy and prosperous New Year, Sweet Pie!
uglyface2
Dec. 31st, 2008 05:54 am (UTC)
Rumors of our death have been greatly exaggerated. The US has not fallen; it's a lot of wishful thinking on the part of hard-line ex-Soviets and anti-Americans worldwide. (And now you, too? You disappoint me.)

By and by, have any of you studied survival skills? If not, you better!

I've played Fallout 3. Does that count?
donchep
Dec. 31st, 2008 02:59 pm (UTC)
I'm stocked up on deathclaw gauntlets, rock-it launchers and railway guns..how about you? Got a fridge full of mirelurk cakes, beer and lots of boxes of sugar bombs. I say I'm prepared for a post-armageddon country.

(incidentally..I was born near where the Lost Hills Vault fromthe original games is supposed to be)
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foskat
Dec. 31st, 2008 07:37 am (UTC)
Survival skills
I got them in spades. As a member of the underground in Vegas 10 years ago, I know id. enough said. In such a breakdown ID will be king, so many new ones issued and good money to produce such. I am a gambling dealer put me in a refugee camp I'll be dealing craps and cards. I'd have my size to my advantage no one wants to mess with a 400lb lineman type armed to teeth. Fun thing is I also can look harmless. I have a proven record of dealing well with the criminal underworld. I have contacts in most of the areas that would break off. I've got no kids to worry about. I'd have no loyalty to any successor government. The only legit form I'd recognize is from the county down. I've slept out under the start more than 400 days and nights so far in my life. I have friends who are similar to me in the right parts of the world. I'd not like this to turn into such chaos, but I'd surely profit. I'd survive or become a legend.
playgirl
Dec. 31st, 2008 10:00 pm (UTC)
Re: Survival skills
I am amazed! Thank you!!
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donchep
Dec. 31st, 2008 03:10 pm (UTC)
Wow, there is greed among the wealthy elite? Who would have known? :)

The Russian guy is not a kook but he's applying Balkan-like behavior to the U.S. which shows his cultural ignorance. That's why the KGB failed to preserve the Soviet Union. He thinks we'll have a civil war with four sectional factions. Except he has parts of the south in the Eastern Atalntic faction. You think Teneessee has more in common with maine and new York than with Alabama or kentucky?
playgirl
Dec. 31st, 2008 09:54 pm (UTC)
"You think Teneessee has more in common with maine and new York than with Alabama or kentucky?"

I never, ever thought about it, until you brought it up!

The rich have so very much. I can't understand why they want more!
daddy
Dec. 31st, 2008 04:20 pm (UTC)
WHy survival skills????

Messiah elect Obama will make everything ok... that is what he promised. millions of new jobs, Sharing the wealth, healthcare for everyone. A new socialist state where Everyone is EQUAL wether they work or not.

I remember a time before that a communist stood on the floor of the UN and decreed that they would bury us without firing a shot.

The USSR is no more but we are still kicking.

You best make sure that you have a few dependable guns and a lot of ammo for them, before your obama and the moveon cronies ban them.

playgirl
Dec. 31st, 2008 09:58 pm (UTC)
He will do his very best to save this country; I know this. He will have an incredible EIGHT year mess to try and fix, but I have faith that he will.

Please Daddy, don't worry about Obama banning our firearms, because he won't.
tigron_x
Jan. 1st, 2009 01:22 am (UTC)
I don't know how this professor came up with such a claim, not to mention that "fall apart" is pretty vague. How is the US going to fall apart? Who is going to take over?

Is the US going to fall apart militarly?
Is he hinting at Russia conducting certain covert operations that would cause instability in Latin America, or will Russia undermine the work done in the Middle East?

Eastern Europe aside, those are the only places that I can see Russia flexing its military muscle.

Is the US going to fall apart economically?

Not from what I've gathered. In comparison to the Euro from April 08 to Oct 08, the US dollar is up 9%; up 34% versus the British pound; and 32% versus the Australian dollar.

Basically, the entire global economy has gone on the fritz, however, the US dollar has actually improved. This global economical crisis is actually the best thing to happen to the US dollar.

Global markets clung to the hope that the global economy would decouple from its dependence on the US; i.e. the US would no longer be the big dog pulling the global economical sled; especially since China was gobbling up raw materials from emerging markets and producing goods to sell to the developed world. Who needed the US?

The developed world pumped finances into this upcoming industrial powerhouse. And, the rest of their finances were shoveled into the US for safer returns.

However, the US was a staggering economy since it wasn't producing anything. All the US had going for itself was an inflating real estate market that peaked in 2006, more specifically a housing market. And since investing in housing doesn't actually add value to the economy, the US's GDP didn't increase. But most people turned their heads since home prices were exploding annually, thus generating high returns for investors.

As a result, subprime lending emerged in the US. However, with a staggering economy coupled with "predatory" lending and outsourcing, the common man eventually became incapable of simply trading labour for financing(i.e. "money") since production of goods were moved elsewhere in the world. And, since the common man depends on trading labour for "money" -- which is his/her only source of income -- most began to default on their loans. Had the common man understood the monetary system, such defaults could have been prevented.

Anyhow, as a result, banks all over the world began to fail, starting first here in the US. As such, investors and banks are in crisis mode, especially in Europe. European banks were caught holding the hot potatoe. And the crisis won't end until banks can overcome the burden of insufficent capital, dysfunctional lending and borrowing, and pernicious assets.

The US banks have the advantage here in comparison to the banks of the world because the US banks aren't holding as many of these toxic assets as European banks are. Thus, US banks are ahead of the curve.

That means that the US is the place to go for financing. Thus increasing the value of the US dollar. It also means that the EU is headed for a crash, not the US. It also means Treasury Bonds and Treasury Bills will be on the rise.

As for Russia... Russia can try and regain influence in Europe due to this instability, thus re-emerging as a competitor in the global economy. They have the oil the back financing Eastern Europe, Latin America, and Asia (i.e. the emerging markets).

And, I forsee Russia flexing its military might to show that it can protect its trade agreements. Thus creating an illusion of stability in Russia.

But, no way do I see this as causing the US to "fall apart" by 2010. That notion is laughable at best.
symian
Jan. 2nd, 2009 05:28 pm (UTC)
I do not agree that the USA will fall apart in 2010, but I do agree that it will fall apart. It has to. It has to because too many people do not understand what is going on. We are too politically correct for our own country's good.
playgirl
Jan. 4th, 2009 02:20 am (UTC)
If we all get on the ball, and demand some of these politicians do the same, perhaps we'll stand a chance, but it seems it's only a one way street, where we are the ones who must do without, unlike the politicians.

I'm beginning to doubt we have any say in these matters anymore, because they sure are running things their way, and it isn't working.

If we all finally hit rock bottom, will they, also? I wonder.
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chriswaterguy
Jan. 2nd, 2009 09:00 pm (UTC)
I work with a wiki for appropriate technology (and sustainability, sustainable agriculture and all that). That's got a lot in common with survivalism. We just need to keep backups, in case of that scenario where we have a really major collapse, and the net goes down. (Unlikely, IMO, but being prepared is good.)

And if there's no collapse, all the better. The whole approach of local resilience, and abundance with a small footprint, is what we need anyway.
playgirl
Jan. 30th, 2009 07:57 am (UTC)
I'm trying to learn as much as I can about survival.

I checked the link and found it to be very interesting, especially the Village Chickens and Hard-boiled Eggs.

Thanks!
nakedgunchick
Jan. 27th, 2009 09:28 pm (UTC)
I am armed and debt free! My home is paid in full and I am off the grid.
playgirl
Jan. 30th, 2009 07:47 am (UTC)
It surprises me at the amount of women who refuse to own a pistol, and learn how to use it because they are afraid of them.

I'm armed, and I'm glad you are, too!
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