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The End, Nuclear War

"I know not with what weapons World
War III will be fought, but World
War IV will be fought with sticks
and stones."
- Albert Einstein

"The idea of all-out
nuclear war is unsettling."
- Walter Goodman

Do you believe earth will eventually
If so, approximately when do you
believe it will happen?

Is it possible there will be
survivors after World War III?!

The End, Nuclear War


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Jan. 24th, 2008 08:37 pm (UTC)
I think another world war is unlikely. If it happened, both sides would have the bomb. The side that was losing would resort to using it. The only realistic way of using it would be to dump everything first in order to take out their nukes and have the best chance of recovery. This would most likely result in MAD. That super powers directly warring against each other for complete victory would result in both of their deaths, plus that there is little to gain at this point economically, I doubt it will happen, at least in the near future.

Even if it did, there would be survivors. Civilization as we know it might collapse, but people would survive.

Brush wars. Limited border conflicts between superpowers. Use of nukes by smaller countries. Possible terrorism with nukes. These are all possiblities.
Jan. 25th, 2008 05:03 am (UTC)
survive the horror of it all
Hatred in this world continues to grow non stop, especially towards the U.S., so I do believe it will happen someday in the far future.

As impossible as it seems that anyone would survive the horror of it all, I do believe there will be survivors, and the reason I believe this is because I believe what the Bible says in the Book of Revelations.
Jan. 24th, 2008 08:37 pm (UTC)
I think it really depends on how confident the people in charge are of their "way" surviving...

But any survivors would be living in a poisonous and terrifying environment...
Jan. 24th, 2008 10:30 pm (UTC)
hit them
If it ever happens, I hope to be right next to the blast. I read somewhere that those are the ones that never will know what hit them!
Jan. 24th, 2008 08:40 pm (UTC)
In 1967 I went to Peace Memorial Park in Hiroshima with my school. (We were in Yokohama for 3 years while my dad was in Vietnam). Any one who thinks that nuclear war is an answer to problems or even a viable threat to level towards another country, needs to go to Hiroshima. They will never think that again.

Jan. 24th, 2008 10:25 pm (UTC)
Peace Memorial
I tried enter the Peace Memorial Park link, but was unsuccessful.

I vaguely recall a Hiroshima movie I watched when I was a little girl. It showed how the people who survived started losing their hair and eventually dying. How I wish I could remember the name of that movie so I can watch it again. I remember it scaring me to death

How lucky you are to have had the opportunity of visiting the Peace Memorial! I only hope those who are running the world have visited it and seen what you saw!

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Jan. 24th, 2008 11:07 pm (UTC)
deadly little red buttons
I hope you're right, but I don't trust the existence of so many deadly little red buttons in the hands of those running our world.

Too many Prophecies in the Book of Revelation have come to pass. I believe this too will someday happen.

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Jan. 24th, 2008 10:13 pm (UTC)
Gee, I'm sorry, but we must face possible reality with a smile! :o)
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Jan. 24th, 2008 10:17 pm (UTC)
Yes, it's quite possible...
I have happier things to imagine, so I won't go too far in speculation of possibilities...

We've gone from two sides to many possible players, and as a world community we really haven't even discussed the issues and possible solutions in a real way.

IMO we need to cut down stockpiles dramatically (Clinton worked out significant cutbacks) as well as to continue to work with nuclear nations to assure that nuclear materials are completely secure.

I can't even imagine what the surviors would have to deal with, but a few percent of the world population might survive to rebuild a society from scratch over several thousand years.
Jan. 24th, 2008 11:31 pm (UTC)
Re: Yes, it's quite possible...
How can we as a world community discuss possible solutions? It was almost impossible when there were only two sides, and they couldn't see eye to eye even with the minutest issues? I feel its impossible now, that it’s gone to, as you said, many possible players?

I can't imagine either, but if there should be survivors, I hope they learn from us, and do things differently.

I have no idea when, but I do believe nuclear war will come to pass.
Jan. 24th, 2008 10:24 pm (UTC)
Interesting source material for the film.

  • Terminator 2
  • The Day After
  • Armageddon
  • Soviet propaganda film
  • Ballistic missile test films
  • Anti-ballistic missile test films.
  • Battlestar Galactica
  • Wargames
  • The Sum of All Fears

Oh, and at what cost are you willing to prevent World War Three? Would you be willing to live under Islamic Sharia Law? Would you be willing to live under conditions such as in Cuba, China, or North Korea?

Personally, I don't think a global nuclear war will happen. I think there will be a limited nuclear exchange at some point, most likely between Pakistan and India, but Iran and Israel is possible too. There are, of course, other possible options, such as Russia and former Soviet state or maybe Chechnya (This would be a nuclear terrorist attack by Chechnian separatist and a response by Russia). And, China/Taiwan, North Korea and Japan (which would involve a nuclear strike by the U.S on N.K.)

Edited at 2008-01-24 10:25 pm (UTC)
Jan. 24th, 2008 10:39 pm (UTC)
Islamic Sharia Law, Cuba, China, and N. Korea
The list is among my most favorite movies!

If it takes my living under Islamic Sharia Law, or under the conditions of living as those in Cuba, China, and N. Korea, I would gladly do so, if it would prevent a World War Nuclear War.

If those who are running our world don't start behaving, I honestly believe it will happen.
Jan. 24th, 2008 11:31 pm (UTC)
I am sure we will see a full scale nuclear war in our life time. The anti-christ and the beast are walking around somewhere. There is some real good evidence that shows the Jews can build their temple as the original temple isn't the dome or the rock site but in a park next to it. So I believe we will see the temple rebuilt, a world war and I believe it will all start with the fall of the United States as a world power.
Jan. 25th, 2008 02:32 am (UTC)
(The anti-christ George Bush) You know I just read what you said and if you really believe this then why Work so hard and how do you sleep???

Just wondering is all
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Jan. 24th, 2008 11:43 pm (UTC)
No. I do think however that a single nuclear explosion could take place most anywhere, triggered by a terrorist or terrorist group or some crazy.
Jan. 25th, 2008 02:34 am (UTC)
You know I think you are right! just had to let you know
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Jan. 25th, 2008 01:00 am (UTC)
A friend of mine told me if it did happen he would just walk out into the streets and wait for the blast. Me i don't think it will happen by nuke. I would say cataclysm before anything like that. A pole shift or something like what happened in the day after tomorrow. People could survive for a short time depending on how bad it was but i think in the end unless people were going to live deep underground for a few thousand years i think the human race would pretty much be kaput.
Jan. 25th, 2008 04:17 pm (UTC)
by fire
I believe it will happen. I don't know it it will through nukes, or through Mother Nature, but when it this earth does come to its end, it will be by fire, and I also believe there will be survivors.

Pachamama (Mother Earth) can take only so much, and we sure have abused her non stop.
Jan. 25th, 2008 02:27 am (UTC)
LOVE YOU My Chocolate Delight Dream Pie!!!!
No I think Mother Nature will get us first and global warming is just starting
So before it all freezes up and we all are ice cubes lets have that dance ;o) what do you say SUNSHINE???

But I will say this no one can win a nuclear war and only us good looking guys will make it ;) and we need us some good looking mates so what do you say do you want to help me save the world? ;o) well A guy has to try :o) and I am trying like heck! =o)
Jan. 25th, 2008 04:21 pm (UTC)
Re: LOVE YOU My Chocolate Delight Dream Pie!!!!
It is very possible that it will be Mother Nature that will do us in, only it won't be by ice, but by fire. If it should happen within our life time, I only hope that we'll know in advance so we can eat all the Chocolate Delight Pie in the world! :o)
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Jan. 25th, 2008 06:34 pm (UTC)
Why is it that roaches always survive?! :o(

Yes, but will those lucky bastards really be lucky? I sure wouldn't want to be one them them, when all this comes to pass!
Jan. 25th, 2008 04:35 am (UTC)
I don't think we'll have a global nuclear war but we could have small short wars hopefully without nuclear weapons used and i'm guessing we'd be the ones using them to stop a very strong threat to the US.
People surviving a global nuclear war? no.no one would survive.
I actually think some sort of natural virus will kill most of the population and only few humans will survive.
Jan. 25th, 2008 07:18 pm (UTC)
I just can't imagine not having a world wide nuclear war, eventually. I'm not saying it will happen in our lifetime, or perhaps it will. Some countries are have them, and too many have goals of getting them.

I don't believe the world will someday come to an end by a virus, but by fire.
Jan. 25th, 2008 05:03 am (UTC)
If we should get that far I do not want to be among the living. Personally I do not believe it will ever happen, although the clock is down to the last few minutes and counting.
Jan. 25th, 2008 04:26 pm (UTC)
The clock is ticking
It would take one moment of insanity for someone to push that button, and we have quite a few insane people running the world.

I do believe it will eventually happen, and if it should be in my lifetime, I hope I'm among the first who will die without never having known what hit me.
Jan. 25th, 2008 07:52 am (UTC)
We will have more world wars, and when the side that is losing sees its cause is lost there will be a nuclear war. We have religious fanatics on all sides that dream of the end of times. They have nuclear bombs. They will someday use them unless human nature fails.
Jan. 25th, 2008 08:44 am (UTC)
Destroying the world with fire is reserved for God. We can try but there will be human survivors. It's part of our Godly nature to overcome ridiculous odds. And also part of our cursed state why nuclear warfare, even if just a small skirmish or isolated terrorist act is quite possible. As we proceed even further through Revelations it seems more likely but there are no guarantees when it comes to humanity. And I agree regardless of his actual IQ that Bush lacks at least the charisma to be the Anti-Christ. Hate to break it to ya but the beast is already identified as the worldwide religious power with the such political clout that will implement the economic reform that makes it impossible to barter without receiving their 'mark'. It's not one individual like the Anti-Christ.
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Jan. 25th, 2008 09:56 am (UTC)
depending on the definition of "war"...

hell the US government already nuked America 928 times at the Nevada Test Site alone


plus counting the cancer, leukemia, and death related to uranium mining and waste disposal, the US government has been waging nuclear war on the American public and troops for decades.

see also:

all of this experimenting done well after Hiroshima & Nagasaki, so it isnt like the scientific world didnt know radiation was harmful.

and since there is nothing on youtube regarding this disaster:

The Largest Nuclear Accident in the United States
Thanks to its location between the United States' media capital, New York City, and its political capital, Washington, D.C., as well as the coincident opening of the movie "The China Syndrome," Three Mile Island was America's best-publicized nuclear accident. It was not the largest such accident.
The biggest expulsion of radioactive material in the United States occurred July 16, 1979, at 5 a.m. on the Navajo Nation, less than 12 hours after President Carter had proposed plans to use more nuclear power and fossil fuels. On that morning, more than 1,100 tons of uranium mining wastes -- tailings -- gushed through a packed-mud dam near Church Rock, N.M. With the tailings, 100 million gallons of radioactive water gushed through the dam before the crack was repaired.
By 8 a.m., radioactivity was monitored in Gallup, N.M., nearly 50 miles away. The contaminated river, the Rio Puerco, showed 7,000 times the allowable standard of radioactivity for drinking water below the broken dam shortly after the breach was repaired, according to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission. The few newspaper stories about the spill outside of the immediate area noted that the area was "sparsely populated" and that the spill "poses no immediate health hazard."

from: http://www.ratical.org/radiation/UraniumInNavLand.html

Jan. 25th, 2008 10:05 am (UTC)
almost forgot this...
Jan. 25th, 2008 03:27 pm (UTC)
Re: almost forgot this...
So just how did anyone think before Wikipedia and Youtube? or maybe they did not have to think then either
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Jan. 25th, 2008 10:54 am (UTC)
oh ya... and dont forget DU
Gulf War syndrome and soldier complaints
Graph showing the rate per 1,000 births of congenital malformations observed at Basra University Hospital, Iraq
Graph showing the rate per 1,000 births of congenital malformations observed at Basra University Hospital, Iraq[66]

Main article: Gulf War syndrome

Increased rates of immune system disorders and other wide-ranging symptoms, including chronic pain, fatigue and memory loss, have been reported in over one quarter of combat veterans of the 1991 Gulf War.[67] Combustion products from depleted uranium munitions are being considered as one of the potential causes by the Research Advisory Committee on Gulf War Veterans' Illnesses, as DU was used in tank kinetic energy penetrator and machine-gun bullets on a large scale for the first time in the Gulf War. Veterans of the conflicts in the Gulf, Bosnia and Kosovo have been found to have up to 14 times the usual level of chromosome abnormalities in their genes.[68]

Human epidemiological evidence is consistent with increased risk of birth defects in the offspring of persons exposed to DU.[69]

In early 2004, the UK Pensions Appeal Tribunal Service attributed birth defect claims from a February 1991 Gulf War combat veteran to depleted uranium poisoning.[4][5] Children of British soldiers who fought in wars in which depleted uranium ammunition was used are at greater risk of suffering genetic diseases such as congenital malformations, commonly called "birth defects," passed on by their fathers.

A 2001 study of 15,000 February 1991 U.S. Gulf War combat veterans and 15,000 control veterans found that the Gulf War veterans were 1.8 (fathers) to 2.8 (mothers) times more likely to have children with birth defects.[70] After examination of children's medical records two years later, the birth defect rate increased by more than 20%:

"Dr. Kang found that male Gulf War veterans reported having infants with likely birth defects at twice the rate of non-veterans. Furthermore, female Gulf War veterans were almost three times more likely to report children with birth defects than their non-Gulf counterparts. The numbers changed somewhat with medical records verification. However, Dr. Kang and his colleagues concluded that the risk of birth defects in children of deployed male veterans still was about 2.2 times that of non-deployed veterans."[71]

In a study of U.K. troops, "Overall, the risk of any malformation among pregnancies reported by men was 50% higher in Gulf War Veterans (GWV) compared with Non-GWVs."[72]



Jan. 25th, 2008 07:00 pm (UTC)
Re: oh ya... and dont forget DU
Isn't it ironic that they continue to perfect all these horrible and deadly things to protect us, while all the while, they're continue destroying our earth, and in the end, they will have killed all humanity? I just don't understand why, and the tragedy of it all is, that we the innocent can't do a thing to stop it!

By and by, why have these assholes used helpless little animals in their demonic experiments!!

Oh yes, the day will come when they finally try to protect us from the boogieman. Can't they see that they are the ones who ARE the boogieman?! Damn them!
Jan. 25th, 2008 01:02 pm (UTC)
Given that nearly every super power has the capabilities of mass destruction at hand, I'm sure it'll eventually happen. But it won't necessarily be limited to nukes. I think nukes will be the last of the WMD used if they're even used.

And I'm guessing it'll happen when the earth will no longer be able to sustain 8 billion people. In short, certain regions of the world will have the required resources to sustain human life, and when the nations that govern these regions begin refusing trade due to scarcity, then the world will succumb to panic and famine which will lead to irrational behavior, i.e. kill to survive on a massive scale. And out of despair, certain groups will result to using WMD to eradicate competition for resources.

Given the deciline of oil and other fossil fuels (which powers the machines that help us harvest the land) coupled with Global Warming (which is changing climate cycles that we depend on to harvest the land for food and water), the amount of land capable of cultivation for food and water is dwindling down. Factor in the effects of polution, and we're really short on land.

In the end, our ability to sustain the current population depends on how well we manage these life threatening issues. If we do not come up with anything within the next 20 years, then we will suffer a mass population decline by ~2050 and possibly be on the brink of extinction by 2075.
Jan. 25th, 2008 03:32 pm (UTC)
Why are you so negative maybe the cup is half full not half empty
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Jan. 26th, 2008 12:37 am (UTC)
I am not gonna discuss revelations here as there are many things in the book that are immagry that was used to denote things to come... and it was a warning.

As has been said previously Man has free will and that was assured to us by His Death upon the cross. It was this Free Will that prevented M.A.D. from becomming a fact back in the 1960's

M.A.D. Mutually Assured Destruction, or the fact that the US and the USSR both had enoughj nukes to completely oblitherate all life on earth three times over. And that did not include Britan, Japan, France, India or any of the other countries or pacts that had them.

The sheer terror of that concept is the biggest reason that the Missiles were returned to the USSR and not put in Cuba. Kennedy was ready to push the button so was Chruschev. FREE WILL is what stopped them and made them both realise what would be left. NOTHING MUCH!

I feel that the possibility of a terrorist triggering a satchel nuke or a dirty bomb is very good... but I believe the possibility of a full nuclear launch with M.A.D. ocurring, every day is becomming less of a possibility.

Right now there are more people on the face of the earth who have experienced freedoms that they have never had before than at any other time. This in itself is somethjing that they are enjoying and they do not wanna loose them. They want more and that will slowly push this old rock of ours toward a more stable world.

At one time in my life I was physically very close to those nukes, I lived on top of them and was taught to load aircraft with them and was very aware of their potential but now I believe in Gods blessings to us and Man's ability to overcome adversity.

Jan. 26th, 2008 06:14 am (UTC)
Well Said
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Jan. 27th, 2008 12:59 am (UTC)
*hugs* for you for your last post. Your mother is no doubt looking down on you with much pride and love
Feb. 5th, 2008 07:16 pm (UTC)
Thank you so much for this comment. You are so wonderful!
Jan. 27th, 2008 07:18 am (UTC)
I love you Sunshine Sending you lots of (((Hugs))) today!!!
Jan. 27th, 2008 11:55 am (UTC)
I see your post flushed all the Death worshiping Xtian looneys out of the woodwork. They want a nuclear holocaust because they cannot face the real world, the one that is shifting out from under them.

Global nuclear war is pretty unlikely at this point. Russia and China are making too much money now to blow the joint up. There may be a regional nuke war; India/Pakistan or Israel nuking various Arabs. There's a high probability of a terrorist nuke attack, as well.

But The Big One is a thing of the past. Relax...

Jan. 29th, 2008 09:23 am (UTC)
Economical wealth is subjective. It's limited to a nation's ability to gather, trade, and control goods, services, commodities, raw material and/or other resources. And in a day in age where humans are counted, controlled and traded as an expendable resource, what makes you think WMD aren't a viable tool for extermination, especially when we all know resources are limited?

All it takes for a nuclear holocaust (or for some sort of holocaust caused by a WMD) to occur is for a select few to decide that the world cannot sustain the current population; i.e. one will justify the extermination of a large percentage of the world population by claiming it is needed in order to preserve the future of humanity.
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Jan. 30th, 2008 11:41 pm (UTC)
Was thinking about you today Savanah And I wanted to send you some Love!
Love you!
Feb. 5th, 2008 07:15 pm (UTC)
Aha! So you were thinking about me, huh? :o)
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Feb. 1st, 2008 08:51 pm (UTC)
I have a post on my journal that I'd like your input on, if you can spare a minute.
Feb. 5th, 2008 07:14 pm (UTC)
I'm sorry I hadn't replied sooner, but I just got in late last night. I've read your post and already have an opinion about it. I have such a hard time expressing myself, but I'll try very soon.
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