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Banning Spanking Children

Sally Lieber will introduce a bill banning the practice of spanking children younger than four.

Is there no end to this insanity? First, there was that odious woman, Madeline Murray O'Hare who was responsible for banning prayer in schools, and now this! If this law comes into effect, you dear parents may land in jail for one whole year, and fork over $1,000 of your hard earned money for spanking your child when he misbehaves. What I’d like to know is how will the government know whether you spanked your little rascal? Will they install cameras in your home, just to make sure you don’t break the law?

I’ve been around kids whose parents don’t believe in spanking. Gotta tell you, it’s been a nightmare for me, but I do give thanks to God those little spoiled brats don’t belong to me!

Oh, and I’m not sure if I heard correctly, but I believe Florida has banned its citizens from smoking cigarettes in their own home. If they’re employer finds out they cheated and smoked, they’ll be fired. I don’t smoke, but I do believe Big Brother is starting to dictate how we live our lives, and I really think it’s scary!

Thought on banning spankings please!

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Nov. 29th, 2007 10:37 pm (UTC)
I have to say...this is the most asinine thing that I've ever heard! When someone wants to come into my home and take care of my children, bathe them, feed them, put up with their crap...then they can tell me how I should punish my child...don't get me wrong, I'm not into hitting or hurting a child, however, a swift smack on the ass gives them the experience to remember not to do what got their ass spanked in the first place....I'm just saying my opinion, if I offend anyone....piss off and get over it...
Nov. 29th, 2007 10:56 pm (UTC)
complain about everything
All these Big Brother laws are coming about at an alarmingly fast rate, due to some people who are total delicate pieces of tissue paper. They complain about everything, and they're listened to, therefore, a brand new law is created. If they continue, before long, we'll have to raise our hand and ask permission to got to the bathroom!

I believe just about everyone of us were spanked on our bottoms by our parents while growing up. I believe you as a parent should have every right as to how you'll raise your child. If you choose not to spank, or to spank, it should be your decision and not the government!
Nov. 29th, 2007 10:50 pm (UTC)
I am all about the spankings myself. if it were not for spankings i would be in prison right now because "time out" does not teach you right from wrong and there really is no penalty for doing wrong. Sit in a corner? Ok not a problem, i will plot how to not get caught next time while i am here dumbass.

I got spanked at school by my teachers, by the principle, by my parents, and by everyone in the neighborhood when you did wrong in their yard. We are raising a generation of pussies that do not realize there are any real consequences to their actions.
Nov. 29th, 2007 11:00 pm (UTC)
If you don't let me do what I want to do
What's to keep a child from blackmailing their parents, should this law go into effect? "If you don't let me do what I want to do, I'll call the police and tell them you spanked me."

Why does the movie, "Children of the Corn" suddenly come to my mind?

My brothers and I were spanked often, and we came out okay. I think! ;o)
Re: If you don't let me do what I want to do - astrixas - Nov. 29th, 2007 11:05 pm (UTC) - Expand
Nov. 29th, 2007 10:59 pm (UTC)
Not only should spanking be allowed, I say that they should bring back corperal punishment in the schools.
Nov. 29th, 2007 11:03 pm (UTC)
I agree with you 100%!

I watch that sniveling woman Sally Lieber on Fox News yesterday. She's the one who needs a spanking so she can shut her mouth!
Re: 100% - lt_howitzer - Nov. 29th, 2007 11:11 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - oninofro - Nov. 30th, 2007 03:44 pm (UTC) - Expand
Nov. 29th, 2007 11:42 pm (UTC)
Well Spanking you know I never gave spanking much thought until you sunshine ;o)

But your right there seems to be a new law for every thing these days, I do not see how they can enforce the ban on smoking it seems to me there is a lot of civil liberties that are being played with, now the spanking ban is good and bad as I see kids do not need to be spanked all the time but some times they do need a little spanking I do not do it my self but I remember getting spanked as a kid and it never hurt me. But as long as it is only used as a last resort and not to the point of abuse I think some things should be left to the parents not the state.

Love you Sunshine!!! ;o)))

Edited at 2007-11-30 01:04 am (UTC)
Dec. 2nd, 2007 05:03 pm (UTC)
I'm sure there are a minimal few who go over board when disciplining their kids, but the majority of parents spank their kids by giving a little sting to their bottoms. Just because a few go over board, doesn't give the government the right to dictate to those parents who spank their kids to instill some discipline.

Nobody should have the right in these matters, but the parents themselves.

You've given me a spanking or two, and I'm not complaining! ;o)
Nov. 30th, 2007 12:40 am (UTC)
kids whose parents don’t believe in spanking
Y'know...I tend to think that NOT spanking is a form of child abuse.

A person who would seriously attempt to put this into legislation has some major unresolved personal issues...and is trying to turn them into everybody else's problem. Yikes!
Dec. 2nd, 2007 04:34 pm (UTC)
Re: kids whose parents don’t believe in spanking
I agree with you! It isn’t easy for parents to spank their child, because I’m sure it hurts them more than the actual spanking they give, but they must spank sometimes. It's a lot easier to just let them get away with mischief than going through the process of spanking them.
There's a big difference between spanking and beating them up, which I'm totally against.

That woman, who is stirring up so much trouble for so many parents, is a nut case!
Nov. 30th, 2007 02:19 am (UTC)
I think it is silly to ban spanking a child. As my father used to say, there is a difference between spanking a child to discipline them and beating them up.

My parents spanked us when we were kids and we turned out just fine. People have the right to discipline their kids as they see fit as long as it does not endanger the life of the child.
Nov. 30th, 2007 02:21 am (UTC)
Please keep me as a friend. I know I have not been very responsive lately but I do read your entries.
(no subject) - playgirl - Dec. 2nd, 2007 04:45 am (UTC) - Expand
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Nov. 30th, 2007 02:34 am (UTC)
Didn't think you'd ever update, sweetie
Dec. 3rd, 2007 03:24 pm (UTC)
It makes me so happy to find you missed me!

Your story is VERY popular. I made the page only a few days ago. I have a tracker on that page and MANY have entered to read it!

Nov. 30th, 2007 02:59 am (UTC)
SOuth carolina has some areas that tried to do the same thing its totally bogus to try and tell someone they cannot do a legal action in their own home.
Now I no longer smoke, and I would just as soon people not smoke around me but if they wanna posion themselves in their own homes who can say they cannot?

As for spanking, hell it was good enough for me and look how wonderful I turned out to be. This crap is probably comming from HIllary's book "It Takes a Village (idiot) to raise a Child" She had a lot of stupid ideas in it.
Dec. 3rd, 2007 03:30 pm (UTC)
And YES, you turned out to be not only wonderful, but my hero, too, thanks to all those spankings you got as a tot!

hmmm...I wonder what other right will be taken away from us?!
Nov. 30th, 2007 04:03 am (UTC)
Totally bogus if you ask me.

Personally, I think spanking is okay, but should be used as a last resort. The fear of being spanked can be just as potent a deterrent as the actual spanking (assuming it's occurred at least once), and the kid should understand it's a punishment for doing something wrong.
Dec. 4th, 2007 02:25 am (UTC)
From the moment I got my little indoor dogs, I immediately started giving them little smacks on their nose or bottoms with a folded newspaper, when they wouldn't let me know to let them go outside to attend to their business, or if I caught one chewing on my shoes or whatever. Thanks to these little smacks, they are perfect little angels! Of course I'm not comparing dogs with tots, but tots need little spankings also, at a very young age, to teach them the many rules that must be followed.

A spanking a day, keep the cops away when their much older.
Nov. 30th, 2007 04:34 am (UTC)
This is really getting way out of hand!

I know there are some parents who have no right to be parents but there are ones out there that are trying to raise their kids with discipline and respect and then there is going to be a ban on spanking your kids?

What the hell is this world coming to?!?
Dec. 2nd, 2007 05:00 am (UTC)
Lots of things are getting out of hand!

If this law goes into effect, I'll feel so very sorry for parents, because their hands will literally be tied behind their back when it comes to deciplining their kids.

What is this world coming to? Dictatorship!
(no subject) - kdawg - Dec. 2nd, 2007 07:49 am (UTC) - Expand
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Nov. 30th, 2007 05:20 am (UTC)
I think spanking is a very important parenting tool, and may be used even when it's not a last resort. Spanking instills fear, and shame and ultimately is far more effective at instilling the thought process that we all must learn to make wise and safe choices. Simply taking away certain privileges or grounding a child leaves too much time in the equation. Acts of instant gratification that are detrimental should be met with swift and impactful enough punishment to truly deter negative behavior.
(no subject) - playgirl - Dec. 4th, 2007 02:15 am (UTC) - Expand
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Nov. 30th, 2007 06:03 am (UTC)
My thoughts on spanking children can be summed up here:


By the by, did you get that email I shot you? Of that pic my student did?
Dec. 2nd, 2007 04:53 am (UTC)
I didn't get an email. This is my email:

Let me go to your link and read it!
(no subject) - playgirl - Dec. 4th, 2007 02:09 am (UTC) - Expand
Nov. 30th, 2007 07:14 am (UTC)
I think it is possible to raise kids well without spanking, but the majority of people arent willing to take the time and effort necessary to do so.
Dec. 2nd, 2007 03:53 pm (UTC)
Not all kids are the same; some will listen with words, but others don't, and those are the ones who need a little spanking on their bottoms.
Nov. 30th, 2007 08:13 am (UTC)
I think it's about par for the course. It's kinda like my ex- only wants my involvement when things have escalated to crisis levels but absolutely balks at any insights I may have on parenting day-to-day to keep things from getting there.
Dec. 3rd, 2007 03:20 pm (UTC)
What an exasperating situation it must be at times!
Nov. 30th, 2007 03:13 pm (UTC)
What do we teach a child when we are new age and PC? Nothing. The purpose of parenting is to prepare a child for making it in the real world, and in the real world the consequence of crime is punishment, even death. Spanking isn't a parental ploy to get revenge on a naughty child, it's a lesson that needs to be often repeated that we all have to be held responsible for our actions. If you break it, pay for it. If you hurt somebody, you get punished.

Without punishment children don't learn to consider consequences before acting. Take away a parent's right to punish responsibly and you take away a parent's authority over a child. All to often when children go wrong the cry goes up that the parents are responsible. Sometimes it is so. Most times, it is the child who is responsible. How can a parent be responsible for a child if the state won't back up the authority the parent is supposed to exercise responsibly?

Children are very quick to pick up on that weakness in the state, and that it undermines the parental role. It gives them leverage over the parent and prevents the parent from disciplining.

As has been said, it's hard enough to be a parent.
Dec. 3rd, 2007 02:37 pm (UTC)
Excellent response and I totally agree.

I still get a chill down my spine when I remember this girlfriend who would drop by to visit me with her three year old MONSTER! I don't know to this day why I put up with it for so long, but just as soon as they'd enter my house, the boy would roam about in every room and have a field day destroying whatever he could get in his hands, and his mother would let him do whatever he pleased.

One day, we were sitting in my kitchen, and the boy grabbed my little Pluto ceramic dog and started playing with it. I was terrified the boy would drop it because it was my favorite. As usual, his mother didn't take it away from him, and he ended up dropping it on the floor, where it shattered into tiny pieces. His mother told me not to worry, because she'd buy me another one. She never did.

Finally, the day came where I got enough courage to tell her she and her son weren't welcomed anymore.

If ever any three year old needed a good spanking, it was that BRAT, but his mother didn't believe in spanking, which is her right, but there are parents who do care about disciplining their children by spanking them when they misbehave, and should have the same right.
Nov. 30th, 2007 03:38 pm (UTC)
When ho, or she, misbehaves. Girls misbehave too. :P

As a person raised in an italian home, spankings were a part of life. If I did something requiring discipline, reasoning and discussion was attempted (relying on tone and volume before advanced communication skills settled in). When those failed, spankings of mass discipline were delivered.

If it is a tool of discipline to teach a child the concept of consequences, I have no problem with it. In fact, a lot of kids now have it effin easy because of the change in the dynamics of authority. This causes parents to be afraid to raise their kids due to a fear of being punished as a criminal but worse yet, as a bad parent.

If a parent is whooping a child out of anger, frustration, or the inability to raise their child, I'll beat them silly for it has nothing to do with parenting.

Big Brother has been encroaching on the rights of individuals for a very long time. It's a shame really. I can see the need to protect the rights of the group but whatever people choose to do in their homes should be their business unless it leads to the harm of others.
Dec. 2nd, 2007 04:25 pm (UTC)
Oh yes, girls misbehave, too! Ask me about it! :o)

I don't know if I'm correct about this, but I believe parents can get into an awful lot of trouble with the law if their child gets fat. Now, this law that that ridiculous woman brought about, wants parents to lose their right as to how they will instill dicipline into their own children.

Some kids need a spanking, I know I was one of them, because simple words didn't do much, so my dad had to spank me to make me see the errors of my ways. Sometimes he'd give me a whack across the back of my thighs with a little belt, and you better believe me when I say, I wouldn't get into mischief for a very long time.

I wouldn't be surprised if in the near future, parents will have to dress their kids in clothing the government dictates!
(no subject) - playgirl - Dec. 2nd, 2007 05:13 pm (UTC) - Expand
Nov. 30th, 2007 05:48 pm (UTC)
I was spanked as a kid... Even before I was four...

And I'm glad my parents did!

I've seen kids who grow up without fear of reprisals, and while yes, it's terrible when some parents overdo it, or some parents who are just plain cruel, live to abuse their kids, I think that banning the means to teach children valuable life lessons is insane.
Dec. 2nd, 2007 03:57 pm (UTC)
I was spanked also.

I've seen kids actually start kicking their mom because they can't have it their way. These are the times I wish I were the brats mom for only 5 minutes!
(no subject) - ayoub - Dec. 3rd, 2007 03:21 pm (UTC) - Expand
Nov. 30th, 2007 06:01 pm (UTC)
The people allow this to happen to themselves by they're ignorance of the laws and words that are used to rule them. Mothers and fathers don't own their children. In fact, they turn their children over to the government themseleves. In most cases, if you look at your birth certificate, there is a line labeled as "Informer" or "Informant," and your mother's signature will be right there. Want to know the legal definition for infromer? It's as follows:

INFORMER. A person who informs or
prefers* an accusation against another, whom
he suspects of the violation of some penal
statute. Black's 1st (see note)

*PREFER: to bring before; to prosecute; to try; to proceed with. Thus, prefering an idictment signifies prosecuting or trying an inictment. Black's 6th

NOTE: Flesh-and-blood men and woman are ruled neither by penal statutes nor any kind of other statute -- unless they are acting as surety for the TRADE NAME (i.e. The name in all capital letters.), in which case they are held accountable as should be. Statutes obtain only in the case of artificial persons, such as corporations or corporately colered entities like the TRADE NAME. As stated above, on some birth certificates, the signatory is listed as "Informer" or "Informant," a term that carries criminal implications. Legally, a new born is an undocumented enemy of the state, a public enemy, according to the Ammendatory Act (March 9, 1933) to the Trading with the Enemy Act of October 6, 1917. Any such informer (usually the mother)is informing on -- i.e. lodging a formal complaint/accusation by deposition and identification of-- the baby. If an all capitals letter TRADE NAME appears on the document, the informer may also "prefer an accusation" that the name, as inscribed, is attached with the infant associated therewith. This can serve as the basis for any subsequent insistence that the all-capital-letters TRADE NAME directly concerns you, the flesh-and-blood man/woman.

Scary, isn't it?

Also, if you get a chance, listen to this audio record:
Dec. 3rd, 2007 03:17 pm (UTC)
Oh yes, scary is the word!
Nov. 30th, 2007 08:24 pm (UTC)
I have no problems with spankings. I've received my share of well deserved whoopins, but I am trying to read more into the proposal. She did say kids under 4 and in light of the whole Baby Grace thing I can UNDERSTAND wanting the law but I think it's slightly wrong-headed.

I worked as a case worker involving child welfare and safety so I always err on the side of the child in cases where discipline is replaced by abuse. I'm talking serious abuse.

I use spanking as a last resort in my home, only because I am very involved in everythign my son does and know how to use corrective discipline.

I disagree with anyone who thinks that you can't raise a child without spanking. You can raise a child with either one or the other or neither as long as you are consistent and proactive in every aspect of raising your child.

We live in a different time and a different world with too many parents who have no business being parents andkids growing up with only one natural parent who may be the only truly caring perosn inthe house. It's not the same game anymore for a lot of these kids, but a tthe same time I understand we are also raising some true little puinks who need someone with strength to whoop the bad out of them.
Nov. 30th, 2007 08:29 pm (UTC)
Oh and one aside, no way no how will I ever support Corporal Punishment inthe schools. Lest we forget that we can barely trust teachers in this day and age to keep from fucking our kids. Do we really want them in charge of a paddle?

And as someone who was swatted on the hand by a sadistic bitch with 3 rulers wrapped in rubberbands simply because I failed to finish an in class assignment on time, I will never let anyone but me or member of the immediate family ever touch my son.
(no subject) - playgirl - Dec. 2nd, 2007 04:16 pm (UTC) - Expand
Nov. 30th, 2007 09:40 pm (UTC)
The problem here isn’t how one person does/doesn’t feel about spanking the problem is this overwhelming rush to give our government more power into our personal lives. This is just one more example where its really none of their business.
Dec. 2nd, 2007 04:10 pm (UTC)
This is the best answer, because you've hit it right on the nail! Weather parents choose to spank or not, it is their business and no one else’s!
Dec. 2nd, 2007 10:16 am (UTC)
Have a great Sunday !!!
Dec. 2nd, 2007 03:57 pm (UTC)
You too, Sweet Buns!!
Dec. 3rd, 2007 10:06 am (UTC)
Good Morning!!!
How come you always know how to make me smile Sunshine?! ;o))))
Dec. 4th, 2007 01:52 am (UTC)
Most parents can't be trusted to spank (or, choosing the lesser evil)
I'm not an authority and I don't have children of my own, but these are my observations.

What I've seen of physical discipline by parents and teachers has been mostly very negative. Most parents can't be trusted to spank. Of course, that leaves open the question of whether we can trust the government to regulate parents.

I've seen kids who were very badly behaved and it would be easy to blame that on lack of spanking. But the fact is the kids were just very badly raised, their parents setting a bad example and being inconsistent in their attempts to guide or discipline their children (or more to the point, their attempts to bribe and bully their children into behaving in the way they wanted).

Can we learn something from training dogs? I suspect so. My brother looked after a guide-dog-to-be while it was a puppy, and their guidelines are quite definite - no spanking. They use other means, and believe it results in a happier, more well-behaved dog. (Incidentally have never seen such an amazingly well behaved dog as the gorgeous creature my brother looked after - it was an angel even by the standards of the Golden Retrievers I've seen.)

I think consistency and fairness are probably far more important than spanking or not. There are probably many cases where spanking is the best thing you can do at that point in time (but probably a lot less cases where it's the best long term solution.) But many parents will be unfair, and allowing them to spank their children means allowing physical abuse.

If you object to the government interfering, I understand that - but in that case I'd see this as about judging which is the lesser evil - some abuse which might potentially be avoided, or government interference. No easy answers.
Dec. 5th, 2007 04:41 am (UTC)
Re: Most parents can't be trusted to spank (or, choosing the lesser evil)
I don't have children, either. From my observations, I've noticed that small children behave terribly because of permissive parents who let them do whatever they wish to do.

If I were a parent, I would first try to bring to my child's attention, with words, that he is misbehaving and if this would work, then I'd spank his bottom lightly.

I have two little indoor dogs that behave wonderfully, and who are potty trained. I managed to train them by swatting them lightly with a folded newspaper. Never again, did they chew on my shoes, socks or whatever, and they are potty trained. I know I sound silly comparing my two dogs, who happen to be my babies with four legs, to children.

I suppose what's the most important thing here is the fact that the government has no business in disciplinary matters between parents and their children. Now, if a parent is abusing their child, then the government has every right to step in.

Thanks for your input on this topic! :o)
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