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ATTORNEY GENERAL ALBERTO GONZALES SCANDAL

SO MANY QUESTIONS!



Why is Alberto Gonzales still the Attorney General? Why do you feel he fired several U.S. Attorneys? Why is the Bush administration still standing behind Gonzales if nobody trusts him anymore?

I've read that there were highly illegal spying activities by our government on American citizens. How is this possible?

In ONE hearing, Alberto Gonzales stated "I can't recall" 74 times. Does he truly not recall, or is he lying to cover for someone? Who? Why?

AND NOW! What does once Attorney General John Ashcroft have to do with all this?

I recently read this, "the White House has suggested that federal prosecutors in Washington, D.C., won't enforce contempt charges against the officials if Congress seeks them."

Does this mean that all those who have been proven of misconduct and shaddy dealings, will be automatically exempt from criminal indictments?

Am I wrong to find all of the above frightening?

Do you think Attorney General Alberto Gonzales will be impeached, or do you believe he deserves another chance?

Please connect SOME or ALL of the dots for me in this brain teaser of a puzzle!




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nebris
Aug. 8th, 2007 07:34 pm (UTC)
These are people who do this and do this. They are perverted Fascist scum. Not much more to explain, chica.

~M~
playgirl
Aug. 9th, 2007 02:15 am (UTC)
Yes they are!
Thank you. I read, and yes, it goes beyond perversion, and horror! This has sickened me!

"Congressional and other Washington sources familiar with the report said that it harshly criticized the C.I.A.’s practices. One of the sources said that the Red Cross described the agency’s detention and interrogation methods as tantamount to torture, and declared that American officials responsible for the abusive treatment could have committed serious crimes. The source said the report warned that these officials may have committed “grave breaches” of the Geneva Conventions, and may have violated the U.S. Torture Act, which Congress passed in 1994. The conclusions of the Red Cross, which is known for its credibility and caution, could have potentially devastating legal ramifications.

A secret government document, dated December 10, 2002, detailing “SERE Interrogation Standard Operating Procedure,” outlines the advantages of stripping detainees. “In addition to degradation of the detainee, stripping can be used to demonstrate the omnipotence of the captor or to debilitate the detainee.” The document advises interrogators to “tear clothing from detainees by firmly pulling downward against buttoned buttons and seams. Tearing motions shall be downward to prevent pulling the detainee off balance.” The memo also advocates the “Shoulder Slap,” “Stomach Slap,” “Hooding,” “Manhandling,” “Walling,” and a variety of “Stress Positions,” including one called “Worship the Gods.”

In the process of being transported, C.I.A. detainees such as Mohammed were screened by medical experts, who checked their vital signs, took blood samples, and marked a chart with a diagram of a human body, noting scars, wounds, and other imperfections. As the person involved in the Council of Europe inquiry put it, “It’s like when you hire a motor vehicle, circling where the scratches are on the rearview mirror. Each detainee was continually assessed, physically and psychologically.”

According to sources, Mohammed said that, while in C.I.A. custody, he was placed in his own cell, where he remained naked for several days. He was questioned by an unusual number of female handlers, perhaps as an additional humiliation. He has alleged that he was attached to a dog leash, and yanked in such a way that he was propelled into the walls of his cell. Sources say that he also claimed to have been suspended from the ceiling by his arms, his toes barely touching the ground. The pressure on his wrists evidently became exceedingly painful."
tigron_x
Aug. 9th, 2007 03:56 am (UTC)
Re: Yes they are!
If by chance you thought these tactics are limited to POW's, you'd be mistaken. Look up Ed Brown on youtube. He's a US citizen who has fortefied himself with his wife in their country home due to opposition to paying the IRS. In his own words, he describes similar humiliation tactics conducted not only on himself, but on his wife as well. They are treated like criminals for civil affairs. Mind you, not paying taxes is a matter of commerce, so there is no reason why they should have been treated like criminals unless it was to demoralize them so that they give in -- i.e. so that they submit to the rule of the IRS/government. These tactics are in place to put fear into the people who decide to oppose the government. Do you think the criminals of Enron were treated this way? No, they werent! And they were criminals because they actually screwed people over!

In order for you to be a criminal, there has to be an injured party. Fictional entities like the IRS cannot be injured parties; only people can be injured parties. Therefore, the Browns should not have been treated like they were criminals because it was a violation of commerce. If anything, the executives from Enron should've been treated like that. Of course, I don't actually think anyone should be treated like that, but you get what I mean.
a_phoenix
Aug. 8th, 2007 07:34 pm (UTC)
All I know about the Alberto Gonzalez situation and the firing of the prosecuters is what I have heard in the media. Many times, the information publicized by the media is only part of the story. I do not know in these cases and I doubt if we will ever know the full truth.

Based on what I have heard in the media, I do question why Mr.Gonzalez is still in office....but again, I am quite sure I only know part of the story.

I do have one question though.... I wonder why such turmoil is happening about the firing of these prosecuters during the Bush administration and nothing was said when the Clinton administration fired a much larger number. Is some of this political games?


nebris
Aug. 8th, 2007 07:48 pm (UTC)
As is common when a new administration comes into the White House, all the 92 US Attorneys resign. [Their letters of resignation are already on file as is the case with all political appointees like the Secretary of State and so on]

When Clinton took office, he accepted those resignations given that the individuals in question were all Reagan or Bush 1 appointees and Clinton wanted a fresh start.

The case with the Bush 2 firings is profoundly different. They were all Bush 2 appointees and were fired for not pursuing cases that were purely political, like the ex Democratic governor [of Missouri, I believe] whose case just got tossed for 'malicious prosecution'. Plus, the DoJ has engaged in covering up the reasons for the firings before Congress, which is clearly a crime.

So, saying that Clinton 'fired more' is pure spin that does not reflect the political reality. But then that's what Repugs do best: Lie.

~M~



davev1968
Aug. 8th, 2007 08:14 pm (UTC)
Why is Alberto Gonzales still the Attorney General?
Because the Administration is standing behind him.

Why do you feel he fired several U.S. Attorneys?
Believe it or not "Why?" is kind of irrelevant. U.S. Attorneys serve at the pleasure of the President. The President has given the Attorney General the ability to hire and fire U.S. Attorneys.

Why is the Bush administration still standing behind Gonzales if nobody trusts him anymore?
Because the ADMINISTRATION still trusts him. Other don't trust him because he will not bend to their will.

I've read that there were highly illegal spying activities by our government on American citizens. How is this possible?
There is some question as to whether the spying was illegal due to the powers granted the President to retaliate against the terrorists and to go to war in Iraq.

In ONE hearing, Alberto Gonzales stated "I can't recall" 74 times. Does he truly not recall, or is he lying to cover for someone? Who? Why?
You would have to ask him.

AND NOW! What does once Attorney General John Ashcroft have to do with all this? He is ancillary. It is not that Ashcroft had anything to do with something as much as it does with Gonzales trying to go around the Acting Attorney General when Ashcroft was in the hospital.

I recently read this, "the White House has suggested that federal prosecutors in Washington, D.C., won't enforce contempt charges against the officials if Congress seeks them."

Does this mean that all those who have been proven of misconduct and shaddy dealings, will be automatically exempt from criminal indictments?
No. Congress is the head of the Legislative branch and the President is the head of the Executive branch. Both branches are equal in power and authority. It is that equality that lies behind the checks and balances of the U.S. government. It also lies behind the theory of Executive Privilege, which says that the President, his advisers, and his staff can not be compelled by Congress to testify. The contempt charges are "contempt of Congress" charges brought because some advisers and staff have refused to testify on the orders of the President. In theory, the Sargent at Arms of the Senate can arrest people and there is a cell in the basement of the Capital.

Am I wrong to find all of the above frightening?
I think so, because this is why we have checks and balances and three branches of government. It won't be long until the Supreme Court gets involved and they will have to think about more than just what happens today but what the Constitution says and what the future ramifications will be. They will have to think about a Republican Congress against a Democratic President.

Do you think Attorney General Alberto Gonzales will be impeached, or do you believe he deserves another chance?
An impeachment is a trial. In order to impeach him, one would be required to show he was guilty of a crime. The question is "Did he actually commit a crime?" He may have done something unethical and/or immoral, but I don't think he did something illegal.

Any other questions?
donchep
Aug. 8th, 2007 08:15 pm (UTC)
When Cheney is the only one who verbally defends Gonzales, that pretty much tears it for me.

He lies amd in testimony excuses memos he's signed on different egregious bits of policy as being signed without him reading them. So to his defenders I say he's either a liar or the most incompetent Attorney General ever. Even kicking Janet Reno off that list.

Either way they need to get rid of him.
playgirl
Aug. 8th, 2007 09:04 pm (UTC)
Since everybody wants him out, and Cheney is the ONLY one defending him, then Cheney has a hell of a lot of power, huh?!
xanthrant
Aug. 8th, 2007 11:39 pm (UTC)
to break a tie in Senate...yes.

AG is still there to protect against prosecuting Bush Admin. there's your dots....
playgirl
Aug. 9th, 2007 02:34 am (UTC)
eyes of a weasel
My God! Most of them are a bunch of hooligans, aren't they?!

What dumbfounds me to no end is the fact that they can all look you in the face, and LIE so effortlessly!

From the moment I first laid eyes on AG, I saw the eyes of a weasel!

Thank you. Yes, the dots are beginning to connect!
p0stmdrnpr1mt1v
Aug. 8th, 2007 09:46 pm (UTC)
regarding Ashcroft, I didnt personally like him, but I think he might actually believe in the US constitution and refused to play along with the administration in subverting it, so he was replaced with someone that believes in their cause.
donchep
Aug. 9th, 2007 02:46 pm (UTC)
Believes in the constitution!!!!!!!!!!!??????????????


Asscrack was the chief enforcer and most enthusiastic supporter of the entire Patriot Act.
p0stmdrnpr1mt1v
Aug. 9th, 2007 11:55 pm (UTC)
ya I didnt word my comment very well.
that's basically why I didnt like Ashcroft.

but after hearing about the hospital bed thing, I tend to think he had been going along with the program and rationalizing it, but his conscience got to him. I'm taking a guess here, just based off his not backing down from questioning the legality of spying on the public... and then being replaced by the very guy who was pressing for it.
tigron_x
Aug. 8th, 2007 11:16 pm (UTC)
Worst Case Scenerio:
1. Why were they fired?

-Part of plans for corporate take over. (U.S. government being the corporation under threat)

-Most likely to replace prosecutors with less informed ones in order to prolong cases because the newbies will have to start from the beginning. This would allow those who are being investigated to keep flying under the radar.

-Also, prosecutors have an account of events so to speak, so just like in corporate accounting, accountants are changed or the accounting process is disbursed among many accountants in order to prevent a single accountant from having too much power over corporate finances. In this case, to prevent prosecutors from having too much knowledge of the events going on behind closed doors.

i.e. They were fired to cause disinformation in order to keep questionable operations going forward while withholding who are the key players in these economical war games.


2. In ONE hearing, Alberto Gonzales stated "I can't recall" 74 times. Does he truly not recall, or is he lying to cover for someone? Who? Why?

Ha! If he can't recall, then he is the most incompetent Attorney General of all time. But, given that we're in a period of war, Gonzales is most likely protecting his commanding officer(s) in order for operations to continue moving forward. It's all an executive military operation.

3. Spying on Americans

Certain Americans and foreigners are aware of what's going on and can threaten this Administration's operations of corporate take over. So, in a world where information is power, then spying on certain Americans allows one to know the other's game plans, especially since many private corporations have ties to foreign corporations. In other words, there are many American corporations that are a front for foreign corporations and they can challange these executive military operations.

4. Does this mean that all those who have been proven of misconduct and shaddy dealings, will be automatically exempt from criminal indictments?

Nope, there usually has to be at least one scape goat to give people a feeling that justice has been served. And on a wider scale, the side that wins in war, usually makes the rules.

5. Am I wrong to find all of the above frightening?

Definitely not. The pot is boiling over and they're scrambling to keep the lid on. If it becomes completely exposed, we'll be plunged into war.

6. Do you think Attorney General Alberto Gonzales will be impeached, or do you believe he deserves another chance?

No he won't be. He's shown his loyalty and strength, thus he is a valuable asset to those in power. It's nothing but a chess game, and he's a peice that is implementing a defensive strategy. And he's holding strong.
ninjaguydan
Aug. 8th, 2007 11:48 pm (UTC)
What I predict...
alberto gonzalez will not be impeached, nor will anyone responsible for the fiasco we are currently involved in. The Owners of this country will do what ever they damn well please....the same gang of neocons who fucked things up for Bush, will be there for another 8 years to fuck things up when Benito Guiliani is running the country.


welcome to the illusion of freedom,
-)
playgirl
Aug. 9th, 2007 02:25 am (UTC)
Re: What I predict...
Yes, I AM beginning to see that freedom has become an illusion. What a pity!
neo_prodigy
Aug. 8th, 2007 11:54 pm (UTC)
i tell you, there are so many scandals going on with the bush administration, i can't keep up.
playgirl
Aug. 9th, 2007 02:22 am (UTC)
Old maids sweeten
I can't either! Wonder how many more will come to light before 2008?!

“Old maids sweeten their tea with scandal”
- Josh Billings

This quote MUST be true! Have you noticed that almost all those who are involved in all these scandals ARE old?! :o)

hajiomatic
Aug. 9th, 2007 12:08 am (UTC)
I am stuck in houston till I go to asscrackistan.
you could visit and say goodbye in person....LOL
nebris
Aug. 9th, 2007 02:24 am (UTC)
go to asscrackistan
Be well, dude. =)

~M~
moon_shine
Aug. 9th, 2007 05:57 am (UTC)
Ok Savanah I thought I would be serious for once and answer your Questions here or at least the way I feel about them, and I would like to here your thoughts on what I have said

1 Why is Alberto Gonzales still the Attorney General? Because he works for a corrupted administration.

2 Why do you feel he fired several U.S. Attorneys? Because the corrupted administration was afraid they might up hold the law in cases that might be brought up about them.

3 Why is the Bush administration still standing behind Gonzales if nobody trusts him anymore? He knows where all the skeletons are.

4 I've read that there were highly illegal spying activities by our government on American citizens. How is this possible? It is called the patriot act

5 In ONE hearing, Alberto Gonzales stated, "I can't recall" 74 times. Does he truly not recall, or is he lying to cover for someone? Who? Why? No he is not lying he knows if you can not recall something and later it is shown that you did you can always say I remember now and so he will not be committing perjury. Something to remember if ever you find your self in a court of law.

6 I recently read this, "the White House has suggested that federal prosecutors in Washington, D.C., won't enforce contempt charges against the officials if Congress seeks them."? Now that is why they should not be allowed to prosecute them self's and nobody wants an independent prosecutor it takes to long and to much money.

7 Does this mean that all those who have been proven of misconduct and shady dealings, will be automatically exempt from criminal indictments? Most likely nobody is really pushing this so it is a passing thing.

8 Am I wrong to find all of the above frightening? No you are not wrong!! anyone that is paying any attention to what is going on should be!

9 Do you think Attorney General Alberto Gonzales will be impeached, or do you believe he deserves another chance? Like I stated all ready no but I think he should Be!

10 Please connect SOME or ALL of the dots for me in this brainteaser of a puzzle! Well sunshine I fallowed all the dots myself and you know what it made one big circle and what was in the center really stinks.
tigron_x
Aug. 9th, 2007 07:22 am (UTC)
Complete Perversion!
Tell me this is not insane:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-bonds-ball&prov=ap&type=lgns

Since when does catching a baseball constitute as income?

Talk about F'd up!
daddy
Aug. 9th, 2007 11:15 pm (UTC)
Davev has said it as well as anyone and his words speak well for me. I will add one thing though...

As for the "highly illegal spying activities by our government on American citizens." First off I have heard many leftist and socialists scream about this... but I have yet to see any proof that this happened, NO people exclaiming that THEY were the ones who were spied upon. Where is the proof and I do not mean some spiteful tripe from some socialist blog.

IF these so called Americvan Citizens who were spied upon were involved in unamerican activities or in any way communicating with any questionable raghead group I am GLAD someone was listening in.

For whatever reason the left just cannot get it into their tighty wound bonnets that if we do not stop the radical islam push in the sand box we will be having more 9-11's happening right here.

Be thankful someone is listening, because they have already foiled numerous plots that would have killed thousands more within our borders. As for someone listening to my phone calls and emails, If they are that bored I welcome them besides I have nothing to hide.
garzan
Aug. 10th, 2007 08:35 pm (UTC)
The Post has been doing a series on Mr. Gonzales that I think has been interesting reading. http://blog.washingtonpost.com/benchconference/

btw, a little LJ fairy told me you posted a new icon. As Bart Simpson would say, 'Hai Carumba!' (or however that is spelled) Oh mi amiga, if there were any hope for me, I'd have proposed on the spot. ;) What a delightful little photo.

Cheers!
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