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1. First of all, I experienced something very strange with the internet yesterday. I couldn't access MANY things, starting from around 3 or 4 p.m., to around 7 p.m. I'm starting to notice the same problem today. Am I the ONLY one?

2. 2. I find it extremely irritating when a person talks loudly when trying to get their point of view across to others!! Grrr

How much nicer it is to the ear when someone speaks softly and with calm!

3. Former Border Patrol agent Ignacio Ramos was beaten up in prison and this should never have happened. He should never have been placed in the general population of the prison. I'm sorry this happened to him.

There are many who are demanding a full presidential pardon for both Ramos and Compean, who were convicted by a jury, of causing serious bodily injury to a RAT.

Pardon Ramos and Compean? Hell no! They shot a RAT in the back! Heroes? Give me a break!

Of course U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton is right when he states that Ramos and Compean are not heroes. They shot an unarmed RAT in the back as he ran away from them, they gathered and threw away the fired shell casings from the crime scene, and they never reported the incident to their superiors. They say that they thought they saw something shiny that looked like a gun. If this is true, then why didn't they yell to the other Border Patrol agents when they arrived at the scene to take cover? Wouldn't you tell them immediately to take cover because they felt the illegal who had just run away, was carrying a firearm?

These two agents were tried by a jury and found guilty. Those who are demanding they be pardoned were not there.

As for Ramos identifying one of the men who beat him up, it's a NO, NO, and has placed himself in greater danger, because there are a couple of things other prisoners will not tolerate, and those two things are snitches and child rapists.

The Border Patrol has existed for a very long time, and thank God we have these brave agents, and there have been countless shootings, but the only difference is, that they had cause to shoot back at the illegal, plus they REPORTED the incidents to their superiors. Ramos and Compean DIDN'T!

Shooting a men, even RATS, in the back is cowardly, and totally unacceptable in America!


We ALL have rules which must be followed at ALL times. Border Patrol agents have always played by the rules and followed the law. Ramos and Compean didn't, therefore, they are paying the consequences, and this is as it should be.


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uglyface2
Feb. 7th, 2007 10:35 pm (UTC)
I heard tell that yesterday some of the major nodes on the Internet took a hit because of hackers. It could well have been that.

And I say Bush should pardon the agents. I'll catch a lot of flak for that, but the whole case stinks to high heaven.
playgirl
Feb. 8th, 2007 12:21 am (UTC)
So it's because of hackers?

Although not as severe as yesterday, I'm experiencing the same problem today. Seems to start around 3:30.

I have a couple of .org domains and couldn't enter them at all.

Bush pardon them? Heck no.

Would you or I be pardoned if we shot a RAT in the back? I don't think so.

Oh, and I haven't forgotten the Bible stuff. I'm gonna make you eat crow soon! heeee
uglyface2
Feb. 8th, 2007 01:04 am (UTC)
Re: Bible

Good luck with that.

Re: Bush

Would the US government go into Mexico to find a drug runner, offer him hospital care and immunity in exchange for his testimony, and even ignore his running more drugs into the US AFTER all of that if you or I shot a RAT in the back? I doubt it. Something is very wrong with this situation, and the border agents aren't it.
playgirl
Feb. 8th, 2007 01:45 am (UTC)
No, there's nothing wrong with Border Patrol agents. I see them every single day, exposing themselves to unknown dangers as they guarding our border. I fully admire and respect them.

It's a known fact that Ramos and Compean shot the man in the back. Can you imagine the reputation this country would have attained, had these two men been excused for this fact? We would have been labeled as a country who excuses those with authority to shoot criminals in the back.

Again, I repeat, if a man is walking toward me with the intent of causing me bodily harm, I WILL shoot him, but if that man makes an about face when he sees my gun pointed at him, I am NOT going to shoot in the back! There’s nothing heroic about shooting a man in the back. To shoot a man in the back is a vile and cowardly act.

If these two agents were to be pardoned, which they will NOT, then why do we have juries? As I mentioned before, we were not among the 12 jurors. These jurors heard and saw the all the evidence, and ALL agreed that these two had committed a crime.

And for the record, I could give a damn about the RAT's welfare.
uglyface2
Feb. 8th, 2007 03:50 am (UTC)
On juries:

There have been plenty of times wherein juries have been swayed to give guilty verdicts when, in fact, the defendant should not have been found guilty. I can find you some examples if you need them, although I'm fairly certain you know of a few yourself.

My point? Juries are unreliable. I wouldn't use them to make my case.

On shooting the mule in the back:

His back was to them.

No, really. They attempted to stop the suspect when he fled through bullets. I can't vouch for their cleanup efforts, nor can I say anything about their lying to their superiors. What I can say is that if the border patrol agents wanted the man dead, he'd be dead. Instead, they shot him in the ass.
playgirl
Feb. 8th, 2007 06:18 pm (UTC)
Sweety, they're guilty as hell. They lied, and did EVERYTHING a criminal does to destroy evidence.

You're wrong. They didn't aim at his ass, they aimed at him, and one of the 14 or 15 bullets ended up hitting him in the butt. Besides, you just DON'T EVER shoot a man while he's running away! NEVER! The only time you shoot someone is when they're confronting you with the intent of harming or killing you.

These two guys were as safe as could be. And if it's true that the RAT had a gun, then why didn't they warn the poor unsuspecting BP agents who arrived immediately? IF there the guy had really had a gun, then their lives would have been in grave danger!

There was NO gun!
uglyface2
Feb. 9th, 2007 02:50 pm (UTC)
M'dear, there seems to be a great deal to this story that neither one of us knows about. If you don't mind my pointing you to this website, you'll see that there was something terribly wrong about the investigation. The report had bogus information, and the lead investigator had ties to this smuggler.

And for my own edification, where are you getting your news from?
playgirl
Feb. 10th, 2007 06:23 am (UTC)
You're right, you and I don't, nor anyone else, know much about the story, but the jury that found him guilty sure does.

Statement by US Attorney Johnny Sutton
ninjaguydan
Feb. 7th, 2007 10:46 pm (UTC)
The NinjaGuydan solution to the border issue...
At this Point, I'd annex the rest of Mexico..Bring our minimum wages, plus vigorous law and order sweep and you solve the illegal alien issue (cause there are no illegal people), and remove the corruption that has been part of Mexican Politics since Santa Ana.

Talk amongst yourselves...
-)
playgirl
Feb. 8th, 2007 12:23 am (UTC)
Re: The NinjaGuydan solution to the border issue...
Annex Mexico? How frightening! :o(
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ninjaguydan
Feb. 8th, 2007 06:21 am (UTC)
Re: The NinjaGuydan solution to the border issue...
I figure they won't put uip much of a fight, most of the Mexicans are over here already...

-)
playgirl
Feb. 8th, 2007 06:05 pm (UTC)
Re: The NinjaGuydan solution to the border issue...
hmmm... that may just be a good idea.

Mexico is a country rich in resources.
dlanor
Feb. 8th, 2007 12:02 am (UTC)
Am I the ONLY one?
Yes, You are the Only One!

As I never really read much about the Border Patrol Agents, I have not comment on them.
playgirl
Feb. 8th, 2007 12:29 am (UTC)
Re: Am I the ONLY one?
Why am I always the ONLY one?! :o(
lt_howitzer
Feb. 8th, 2007 12:06 am (UTC)
My internet is being really slow today.
playgirl
Feb. 8th, 2007 12:28 am (UTC)
I had no access yesterday around 3 or 4 p.m. It started working great around 7:00 p.m.

The same thing happened today at the same time as yesterday, but it seems to be doing a little better now.
paulcurtis
Feb. 8th, 2007 01:54 am (UTC)
something very strange with the internet
Yep. It's a Denial-of-Service attack on the servers that handle the URLs on the Internet...and it's still going on, though not as bad as yesterday.

http://www.latimes.com/technology/la-fi-hack7feb07,1,912837.story?coll=la-headlines-technology&ctrack=1&cset=true

Nobody seems to have a clear idea why it's happening, as it doesn't seem to have accomplished anything. Maybe it's just a TEST of a strategy to disrupt the entire Internet.
playgirl
Feb. 8th, 2007 04:41 pm (UTC)
Re: something very strange with the internet
Thanks for that link.

I'm glad I didn't call Roadrunner and make a stink about the down time I experienced the day before yesterday.

rabbitboy
Feb. 8th, 2007 02:25 am (UTC)
You're not the only one with slow internet. I had the problem this morning, and am slugging through it right now as well. Dunno if it's hackzorz or not.

And as for the Border Patrol agents... sure, they covered up the crime and filed false documents. They need to spend some time in jail.

And our government granted a dope-smuggling illegal immunity in order to prosecute them.

That'll be a big morale boost for the boys on the border, I'm sure.
playgirl
Feb. 8th, 2007 04:46 pm (UTC)
I find it insane for our government to have granted immunity to the RAT, but what I find even more repulsive is the fact that the RAT has now been given the right to sue!!

I don't believe it has affected the rest of the BP agents. If they continue following the rules as they have always done, there will be no problem.
gervgirl
Feb. 8th, 2007 02:29 am (UTC)
yeah I have been having problems with the internet the last couple of days. I just thought it might be my ISP but maybe not. I have been getting a lot of "page can not be found" Or "page has been moved" etc. I hit the back button and do it again and it seems to work fine. Strange
playgirl
Feb. 8th, 2007 04:51 pm (UTC)
Apparently, the problem stems from some hacker in South Korea.

I experienced the exact same thing, especially with my domains ending with .org!

Seems like when 4:00 p.m. comes around, the problem starts. Let’s see what happens today.
daddy
Feb. 8th, 2007 02:46 am (UTC)
Keep reading there is more to come out about Ramos and Compean. It has been released that Johnny Sutton has said that most all evidense against the two was manufactured, and there were things that were purposely with held from the trial. Another questionable point is that there still has not been a transcript of the trial released. Sutton is trying to make a name for himself on the back of these two officers.

Its not finished yet...... There is a polecat in the hen house and its name is Sutton.
playgirl
Feb. 8th, 2007 05:09 pm (UTC)
I'm sorry Daddy; for once I totally disagree with you.

Whatever they bring out, the fact remains that the RAT was shot in the butt. Had they shot the RAT'S penis, I'd be wholeheartedly behind the two BP agents.

If the guy had a gun, as the cowards stated, why didn't they warn the other Border Patrol agents to take cover when they arrived immediately after the shooting? If they had gone according to the BP rules, they wouldn't be in the pickle they're in now.

They destroyed evidence, they didn't make a report of the incident, and they lied. Why in the world should anyone believe them now? They are liars! I just can't understand the entire hoopla loop over these two guys. Just because they were Border Patrol agents automatically makes them men of virtue? I don't think so. These two guys were BAD.

Nothing is going to change, they will remain in prison.

Some jerks are calling for the impeachment of President Bush because he won't pardon them. Bush is NOT going to pardon these two criminals, and I'm glad.
daddy
Feb. 8th, 2007 09:03 pm (UTC)
Pardon? No but 11 and 12 years is unjust. Suspended Fined Fired all would be proper but the facts remain that they were railroaded. The Senior investigator and the RAT were child hood friends, it was the rats mother that called the Homeland Security Investigator telling ghim that his friend was shot in the ass.

The supposedly signed documents that the Prosecutor had, that said that the two agents said that morning that they wanted to kill a mexican was FALSE two days ago the Inspector General for Homeland Security stated before Congress that the Investigator and the Prosecutor Lied to Congress and withheld additional evidense against the smuggeler.

Were you aware that he was given immunity not only for the incident when he got shot, but also when the trial was going on he was caught smuggeling another Million dollar load of drugs across the border, which he was given amnisty again and he actually has a free pass from Homeland Security if he gets caught again smuggeling drugs. Plus the 5 million dollar law suit against the US government he has filed.

Pardon the two? No but what they did does NOT deserve 12 years in prison, and the beatings and possible killings that will probably happen with them in prison..

Shooting the scum was not wrong, because they feared for their lives. Any other Cop would do the same. Trying to hide the fact was wrong! I do admit that completely.
(Anonymous)
Feb. 8th, 2007 06:08 am (UTC)
Border Patrol Agents acted in self defense
The suspect that Ramos and Compean were pursuing POINTED A GUN AT THEM. The agents were shooting in self defense. That's the only acceptable reason to shoot at someone, and that's what happened. I don't blame you for writing what you wrote based on the information that you are currently aware of, but check out the following articles:

http://euphoricreality.com/2007/01/22/guard-the-borders-blogburst-jan-22-07/

http://www.nbpc.net/ramos_compean/rebuttal_to_sutton.pdf

http://www.agentramos.blogspot.com
(see Joe's letter to Congress along the right side of the page)
playgirl
Feb. 8th, 2007 06:10 pm (UTC)
Re: Border Patrol Agents acted in self defense
If the suspect pointed a gun at them, then why didn't the two ex-agents report it? Why didn't they warn the other BP agents to take cover? Why did they pick up the 15 shell casing?

Why lie if you've gone through all the correct procedures? These two guys lied, so why should anyone believe their excuses now?

The jury heard all the facts about the case, and they found them guilty.

When someone gets a bullet in his butt, that means he was shot in the back.
moon_shine
Feb. 8th, 2007 09:29 am (UTC)
1.Well you know Savanah I am on dial up so it is always slow for me :o)lol so what can I say

2.Your right some people need to jest cool down if they really want to get there point across

3.And I still think your right and by what I have read and seen they where in the wrong and I do not care what anyone says if you shoot someone in the back you are a cowered. And they even tried to cover it up. so they even know what they did was wrong


I will be keeping you in my dreams that is if I ever get to sleep =o)
playgirl
Feb. 8th, 2007 05:12 pm (UTC)
I know I'm right. To shoot a man in the back is downright cowardly!

Hope you slept well Sweety Pie!

Oh, and I hope you remembered to cover up the family jewel! ;o)
moon_shine
Feb. 9th, 2007 07:25 am (UTC)
You know Sunshine I finely fell a sleep around 6 AM this morning
And I slept most of the day today now I will be up all night long and so will the family Jewel! ;o) Now that I am thinking of you ;o)))))) lol
Sending you lots of hugs and kisses

-Pete-
nahele_101
Feb. 8th, 2007 07:07 pm (UTC)
those two border patrol agents are p.o.s.

i hope they get thrown in jail a long, long time.

hero my ass.
playgirl
Feb. 9th, 2007 01:19 am (UTC)
I just can't understand how anyone can call someone who shoots another in the back, a hero!
a_phoenix
Feb. 8th, 2007 07:57 pm (UTC)
Item 1 - Sometimes my connection seems a lot slower than other times....I don't know why.

Ite 2 - I fully agree....and it is something I have to be careful of too....

playgirl
Feb. 9th, 2007 01:18 am (UTC)
My connection was weird again today. This is the 3rd day it's happened, and it seems to happen at about 4 p.m.

Few agree with me on this one. I don't understand it.
justgoto
Feb. 9th, 2007 07:21 am (UTC)
Border Patrol
http://www.culberson.house.gov/news.aspx
    "Richard Skinner admitted yesterday under oath that his top deputies gave Members of Congress false information painting Border Patrol Agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean as rogue cops who were not in fear for their lives and who were 'out to shoot Mexicans'.

What else are they lying about?

There is something very fishy going on down there. No one but the players, know the whole story.
playgirl
Feb. 9th, 2007 04:43 pm (UTC)
Re: Border Patrol
I tried the Skinner link but it isn’t there anymore.

Yes, I also find it very fishy, and yes, the only ones who know exactly what happened were the two BP agents and the RAT.

What I find even fisher is the fact that the two agents are now changing their stories.

I don’t believe for one moment that their lives were in danger. Had they been in danger, the guy’s body would have been riddled with bullets in the FRONT of his body.

If it is true that the guy had a gun, and the agents lives were in danger of being shot, then why didn’t they warn the other Border Patrol agents who arrive immediately after the confrontation? If it’s true that the guy had a gun, then the two convicted agents didn’t give a damn about the lives of others.

It is a well known fact that when a crime is committed, the crime scene is to be left intact. These guys didn’t do this, and in fact, picked up all the 15 shell casings and hid them. Why does a person do something like this? Because that person knows he committed a crime himself. Had these agents murdered this RAT, nobody of have ever known that a crime had been committed. And please don’t tell me that had they killed the guy on the spot, they would have reported the incident.

These guys are guiltier than hell, and it is only right that they pay the consequences. There are good and heroic cops and Border Patrol agents, but there are a FEW who are not.

The fact remains that there have always been incidents where BP agents have had to shoot a criminal, but only because they left the scene intact, and the proof was there that they shot back because their own lives were REALLY in danger.

I live close to the border area, and I see the Border Patrol on a daily basis, and I thank God for them. They are exposing themselves to grave danger in trying to secure the border. These are the ones I call heroes, because they are. I also give thanks to God that we have our brave policemen, but lets not forget for a moment that there are also a FEW who are BAD.

I don’t agree with many of the things President Bush stands by, but I do agree wholeheartedly with him on this one.

Wouldn’t this mess have turned out differently, had these two cowards gone according to the RULES and procedures, as all Border Patrol agents have done since the first day the Border Patrol came into existence?
justgoto
Feb. 10th, 2007 08:56 am (UTC)
Re: And please don’t tell me that had they killed the guy on the spot, they would have reported th
You are making assumptions that I endorse these actions. I clearly said, "There is something very fishy going on down there."

These guys are guiltier than hell, and it is only right that they pay the consequences.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54104
And I think all parties involved should "pay the consequences.".. Including THE SUPERVISORS THAT HELPED DESTROYED EVIDENCE AND THE PEOPLE THAT LIED TO COVER IT UP!

I don’t agree with many of the things President Bush stands by, but I do agree wholeheartedly with him on this one.
And what part of my comment endorsed a pardon?
playgirl
Feb. 10th, 2007 02:49 pm (UTC)
Re: And please don’t tell me that had they killed the guy on the spot, they would have reported th
OMG! I'm arguing with someone I feel is truly a Master! Don't think for a moment that I don't read every single post in your journal, and find that you always win an argument! :o)

Thanks for that link. I wasn't aware of others covering up the incident.

If this is true, then how many times have there been cases like this, where aliens are shot and perhaps even killed, and then covered up.

Absolutely! All those BP agents who participated in covering this up, or who were aware of the incident, but never said a word about it, should pay the consequences.

There are MANY people who can’t handle a position of authority. They become confused after awhile, believing they are dictators who can do whatever atrocities they wish on people. These people must be exposed, just as Ramos and Compean were.

No matter how much people are trying to condone what happened that day when they shot that guy, the fact remains that the guy had a bullet in his butt, and that tells the whole story as to what happened that day. Ramos and Compean were two trigger happy thugs, and they shot a man in the back as he was fleeing.
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