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The rescue climbers will be leaving Mt. hood in a little while, because they reached the snow cave but only found ice axes, sleeping bags and rope, but the three guys weren’t there! I was so hopeful this morning that they would be found and taken to safety.

Is it possible that they’re still alive? Why do people like these three guys put themselves in such danger to begin with?

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moon_shine3
Dec. 17th, 2006 11:26 pm (UTC)
They may still be alive, but they should of stayed put, time is not on there side and it is just great being out and being free and if your prepared it is not as dangerous as you might think But I hope they all get out ok and they have no frost bite
playgirl
Dec. 17th, 2006 11:49 pm (UTC)
Oh no! They have found one of the hikers dead, Pete!
moon_shine3
Dec. 18th, 2006 12:02 am (UTC)

ya I just seen that on the news that is to bad. And sad
they found two sets of tracks up higher on the hill too that is a good sign I hope it is the other two Savanah and I hope they are ok ! maybe not
moon_shine
Dec. 18th, 2006 05:30 am (UTC)
Savanah I just heard that they found one alive they did not say any thing about the other one we can only hope! He is ok too.
playgirl
Dec. 18th, 2006 05:21 pm (UTC)
I didn't know that. What a miracle! I have no idea why these 3 guys have touched my life as they have.

I pray to God the other one is found alive, also!
moon_shine
Dec. 18th, 2006 09:43 pm (UTC)
Savanah I am Sorry but the report that I heard last night was wrong they are still looking for the other two I hate it when reporters go on TV and don't have all the facts, I sure hope none of the family heard this! I guess that everyone wants good news
I am praying to God the other two are found Alive, as are you. I am Sorry I believed the reporter and posted this with out double-checking what I heard. I will not do that again

playgirl
Dec. 19th, 2006 12:30 am (UTC)
I know, sometimes reporters make mistakes. I'm sorry it didn't turn out to be true.

I'm starting to lose hope that they will be found alive, because it has been way too many days now, and it's so incredibly cold there.

I heard the family of Kelly James talk today, and it was very sad.
moon_shine
Dec. 19th, 2006 05:06 am (UTC)
Yes it was very sad but as long as they keep looking there is hope. There was a man that walked out 39 days after being lost on mt Hood so there is some Hope but your right it is vary cold but if they made a new snow cave it is nice in a snow cave I
Had to make one, one time it is really nice
and warm inside but it is sad. And your right it is not looking good for them right now.

harley1456
Dec. 18th, 2006 02:59 pm (UTC)
I think I might be able to add some insight into the "WHY?" question.

I am a risk taker, I tried to climb Mt Rainier in 2003, a much more difficult mountain that Hood. We failed miserably but the fun is in learning the skills, pushing your body, but MOST of all the risk is what makes it fun. If it wasn't dangerous then it wouldn't have the same thrill.

Same with my Harley, I like riding right on the edge, where I am close to exceeding my (or my bike's) abilities. At that moment I am still in control, but just a fraction away from disaster. Gets the heart going.

Gambling is the same way, that is why millionaires have to bet so much, it is not that they are showing off, but to get the THRILL you need to bet enough so that if you lose it REALLY hurts. Then you really have something exciting.

Now, on the deaths of these guys. I think it is not tragic at all. They knew the risk when they planned the trip, just like I know the risk when I get on my bike. If I crash and die it is much LESS tragic than the person who dies by a feak accident, or a drunk driver. The people who die by "chance" did not have the choice, and perhaps did not die doing something they LOVED and thought was enjoyable enough that it was WORTH dying for. That is how I feel about my bike.....I expect to die on it someday. I expect people to be sad at my death, and to miss me. But I hope they will understand that it was a GREAT way to LIVE while it lasted.

Now I think I am gonna cut and past this and make it into a post!!!
moon_shine
Dec. 18th, 2006 04:53 pm (UTC)
I think your right about the feeling of being on the edge and still in control
there is nothing like it. I would rather die doing what made me feel alive then just
fading away
playgirl
Dec. 18th, 2006 05:19 pm (UTC)
I can understand your feeling on this very well.

I too, loved taking risks in doing my most favorite thing in the world, and that was skydiving, which in reality is as safe as can be! :o)

Now, climbing mountains like Mt. Rainier would never be my thing, because I do find it extremely dangerous.

I can fully understand the high you get when driving your motorcycle. I've never ridden one, but I have been a passenger on one many times, and the guy was driving so fast on the freeway that we sounded like a mosquito! :o)

Sadly, I stopped skydiving since I developed diabetes, but I will do it one more time before I die, because it has to be the greatest thrill I've experienced in my life, plus, it's the closest manner of touching the face of God.
harley1456
Dec. 18th, 2006 05:27 pm (UTC)
skydiving is very safe 1 death for 75,000 jumps.

Pretty good odds there....
playgirl
Dec. 19th, 2006 12:41 am (UTC)
It sure is! It's safer than flying!
harley1456
Dec. 18th, 2006 05:28 pm (UTC)
why would diabetes stop you from jumping?
playgirl
Dec. 19th, 2006 12:21 am (UTC)
When you're a diabetic, wounds heal much slower, and there's always the danger and fear of amputation.

The first time I jumped, I didn't land on my feet and ended up being dragged throughout the field, scraping my forehead nose and chin badly. :o(

I've asked God to let me know a few days ahead of time as to when I'm to die, so I can go skydiving one more time, and eat all the chocolate in the world! :o)
harley1456
Dec. 19th, 2006 03:39 am (UTC)
One of my longtime friends, former roommate and my next door neighbor was born diabetic, and has hypoyhyroidism AND addison sydrom.....

Anyhow he runs marthons and travels cross county on his bike in the summers!!!
playgirl
Dec. 19th, 2006 06:15 pm (UTC)
Exercise is the best thing for a diabetic, and I ride my bike all the time, and swim during the summer. I’m positive I’ll someday skydive just one more time again, because it’s an unforgettable experience, and hopefully I will NOT land wrong!

The idea is to keep moving, and your friend is doing the best things possible for his health.
a_phoenix
Dec. 18th, 2006 05:03 pm (UTC)
Unfortunately they have now found one body...

I don't know why people put themselves at such risk....
playgirl
Dec. 18th, 2006 05:27 pm (UTC)
My friend [info]moon-shine just told me they found one of them alive. Thank God!

I find climbing mountains like those so very dangerous!
marc17
Dec. 18th, 2006 06:13 pm (UTC)
Well, one thing is that I read that the guy that was in the snow cave had hurt his leg. You'd be surprised how much even a sprained ankle will slow you down on a mountain. we were climbing down Mt St. Helens a few years ago and one of the girls that was with us sprained her ankle on the way down which complicated further that we had come down on the wrong side of a ridge and put us about a mile from where we were supposed to be. It turned a hour hike back to the car into about ten hours and almost camping out the night as although she walked on it for a few miles back to the treeline, her ankle swelled up and wouldn't carry weight any more. Except for a visit by the Volcano Rescue Team (who got her off back to the car by taking turns at giving her piggie back rides*) we probably would have.

If something like that happened in difficult climbing area, it could have slowed them down to the point that their well planned safe hike coudl have turned deadly with the weather. Weather is a bitch and although people forget that nature will kill you dead really quick if you're not careful, like the father that died trying to hike out to save his family after their car got snowed in. He made it 16 miles before dieing, still four miles from the main road, and people say it took great fortitude to make it that far.

Friends of mine tried camping on a mountain camping spot while driving crosscountry during the winter once. They passed a sign that said "Expedition grade equipment required. The mountain does not care." by nine o'clock they were almost froze and drove back to a diner to sit there all night long. When they mentioned they had tried to camp out, the entire diner grew silent and various people told them how lucky there were and stories of others who had died doing what they had done because they didn't leave soon enough, their car wouldn't start, or other such things.

Hurricanes, snow storms, tusnamis, or even a good rain storm (4 dead in seattle last week, still hundreds of thousands without power) will still kill you quicker than you'd like to think about.


*earlier, while everybody was freaking out and thinking they'd have to camp there for the night and to get her out they'd have to bring n a helicopter to airlift her, I joked and told her "no, what's going to happen is that a couple of beefy hunks are going to show up and carry you out." Which is exactly what happened.
playgirl
Dec. 19th, 2006 06:05 pm (UTC)
I sure am glad you all made it back safely from Mt. St. Helens!

I heard that this isn’t the month to climb the mountain these three guys did, because it’s considered the most dangerous time of the year. Had they only waited a month or two, this most likely would never have happened. I have a problem with their decision to climb it anyway.

Do you feel there’s a possibility that the two are still alive? I don’t feel they are anymore.

If I were to encounter an accident, I’d rather it happen while skydiving, than climbing mountains like that, because when you jump from that airplane, and an accident happens, you die almost instantly. If these two guys are dead by now, they will have died a slow and agonizing death!
marc17
Dec. 20th, 2006 01:51 am (UTC)
Mt. St. Helens is about the safest mountain around. Unless you did something really stupid it's no more dangerous than any other hike. No special equipment is even needed. It's a simple walk up the side of the mountain and then a simple walk down the mountain*. Just like climbing a really large hill.

No, I don't think they're alive. If they'd all stay in that snow cave, maybe, but they were well short of food and were all experienced mountain climbers. They knew their chances better than we could when they left that cave to try and get help for their hurt friend. If they'd stayed, we'd probably just have a couple more bodies.

*Or sliding. We got into trouble by glissading down. We weren't paying attention and slid down the wrong snow patch which put us about a mile away from the trail by time we hit bottom. however, sliding down a snow patch for five thousand feet of elevation was well worth it and better than any roller coaster ride.
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