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RACE & NATIONALITY


RACE & NATIONALITY


I’m totally confused about race and nationality.

I believe I read somewhere that there are only a total of three races; Caucasoid, Mongoloid and Negroid, and we’re divided into nationalities. Is this true or are there more races than three?

I've noticed on some application forms where they ask you what race you are, they have one of the choices of OTHER. I know what OTHER means, but why must one choose the word OTHER? Why not some other word. I just don't like the word OTHER because it's like saying you're NOTHING!

If my Grandmother was Spanish, and Grandfather Mexican, my mother half Mexican and Spanish, my father Lebanese, and since I don’t consider myself White, Black or Asian, under which one of these three races would I fall?


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fourcorners
Dec. 10th, 2006 10:42 pm (UTC)
I don't know, but those genetics sure make you sound very appealing
playgirl
Dec. 10th, 2006 11:10 pm (UTC)
I can't even call myself a
I can't even call myself a half breed, so I just call myself a mutt, which is as true as can be! :o)
uglyface2
Dec. 10th, 2006 10:53 pm (UTC)
Mmm. You've touched on something that could get me in a lot of trouble if I start saying what ought to be said. I'm not sure my beliefs would go over well here.
playgirl
Dec. 10th, 2006 11:08 pm (UTC)
Go ahead Dave. You know
Go ahead Dave. You know this is a Freedom of Expression Live Journal. We're all just plain people here, and I'm sure there are many who are just as confused as I am about this.
Re: Go ahead Dave. You know - uglyface2 - Dec. 11th, 2006 10:31 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: Go ahead Dave. You know - playgirl - Dec. 11th, 2006 07:35 pm (UTC) - Expand
gladyo
Dec. 10th, 2006 11:28 pm (UTC)
There are many races in our world but it's about how you feel about your race. For example, your mom is from Russia, your father is from Turkey and you born in USA. if you really feel yourself from USA than you are American, if you really feel yourself from Turkey you are Turk. If you really feel yourself from Russia, you are Russian.

Our world is global, we can go everywhere. I'm from Turkey, i feel Turkish and i'm very nationalist. However i don't believe in ethnic nationalism or racial segregation i belive that people should keep their cultures and this can only be provided by nationalistic ideas.

If you look at the Turkish history we are Asian but i don't look like an Asian person and also there are lots of black Turks in Africa. It's all about historical events. There are many Turkish people who borned in other countries but they still feel themselves as a Turk.

There are many races on the world but belonging to a race does not mean war or being superior. We should keep our cultures and by doing this we can have contribution to the global world. There should not be black, white or Asian in the application forms there should be Turk, American, Russian, Italian and etc... in application forms.. i don't like the word OTHER too :)

playgirl
Dec. 11th, 2006 01:39 am (UTC)
It would be so much easier if
It would be so much easier if those of us living in the U.S. could just write on the dotted line that we are Americans, but they ask for our race. It’s very confusing for many of us who are of more than one or two nationalities.

I know what you mean about the different colors of skin. For example, many people assume that all Mexican people are brown, but this isn’t true, because we come in all colors, some are brown with black hair and dark eyes, while others are white with blonde hair and blue eyes. Many Lebanese are pretty fair skinned with light eyes, while others are Black. I believe you are correct when you stated that it all has to do with historical events.

I find myself having to put the check mark on the word OTHER, and it seem quite strange to me. Hopefully someday, someone will come up with better wording for an answer, or perhaps make up some more races and place them their.

How much nicer it would be if they just have one word, and that word were Humans! :o)
neo_prodigy
Dec. 10th, 2006 11:52 pm (UTC)
a couple of things:

1. there are multiple races but the three primary races are in fact caucasoid, mongoloid and negroid. all of the other races descend from that primary three. for instance, latino, asian and native american will fall under the mongoloid class, even though they're three separate races.

2. other probably implies those who are bi-racial or a race that isn't listed. not the most adequate or respectful term mind you, but i think that's what they mean.

3. i think with your rich and exotic lineage, i would say you could identify yourself as bi-racial.

4. but no matter what your race is, or what you identify yourself as, it doesn't change the wonderful person who you are.

playgirl
Dec. 11th, 2006 02:01 am (UTC)
No, race shouldn't matter a horses buck teeth
No, race shouldn't matter a horses buck teeth, because the only thing that matters is the love in our heart.

I also feel the same for gays, and I love all the ones I know, because the only thing they have shown me is a heart as big as gold.

How I wish they would ask the question of RACE in applications, because I feel that there are many who are just as confused as I am, when I have to place my check mark.

Perhaps someone should change that word of OTHER, to BI-RACIAL, or anything else, because OTHER, feels like I’m just an OTHER piece of furniture!

Have I told you lately how wonderful I think you are!! :o)
inspectorjury
Dec. 11th, 2006 12:03 am (UTC)
You are a member of the race of cuties. It's a very elite race.
playgirl
Dec. 11th, 2006 01:20 am (UTC)
I sure am
I sure am, and so are you!!!
Re: I sure am - moon_shine - Dec. 11th, 2006 06:17 am (UTC) - Expand
pggmilltn
Dec. 11th, 2006 12:42 am (UTC)
Biologically, there is only one human race. We're Homo Sapien Sapien's, the last surviving member of the homonid family. We're so similar that our blood, our DNA, our body parts can be shared, swapped, and combined in any number of ways which would still allow us to function virtually normally.

A lot of individuals physiologies tend to have features closer to one of the three "races" mentioned above. That speaks more about how people tend to stick to their own phenotype than about there being substantive differences between difference phenotypes. This is in part due to bigotry, and in part due to the fact that for most of human history people were tied to their birthplace.

Socially, there are as many races as the society at large is willing to recognize. In the 1800's the federal government recognized Irish and the Polish as a separate race from the English. Today, African American's get recognized as a race while Hispanics get recognized as an ethnic group. Meanwhile, people from Iceland to India get lumped together as Caucasian.

The long and the short of it? Biologically you and everyone else you meet are members of the human race. Socially your race is whatever you label yourself and whatever everyone else labels you. Race is only as significant as the society makes it out to be.
playgirl
Dec. 11th, 2006 02:35 pm (UTC)
Biologically, there is only one human race
Biologically, there is only one human race

So this is why our bodies will accept a blood transfusion from anybody, just as long as that person belongs to the human race. Right?

Thank you Paul for this information. Although it's still quite confusing for me, I'm learning little by little.
jerrymurray
Dec. 11th, 2006 12:51 am (UTC)
Just claim that you're eskimo and all will be well. :-)
playgirl
Dec. 11th, 2006 01:19 am (UTC)
Cutie Eskimo
You say to call myself Eskimo, and [info]inspectorjury says I'm a member of the CUTIE race.

Race? Cutie Eskimo. Hmmm...sounds good to me! :o)
protey_chamber
Dec. 11th, 2006 12:54 am (UTC)
Race - is a local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution.
While nationality is the status of belonging to a particular nation by origin (birth) & traditions.
Nation – is a politically autonomous entity: a relatively large group of people organized under a single government (a country). A people who share common customs, origins, history, and frequently language constitute a nationality: "Historically the Ukrainians are an ancient nation which has persisted and survived through terrible calamity" Robert Conquest.

The traditional division into 3 races is based on the Bible legend (in brief):
10 Noah became the father of three sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
11 Now the earth was corrupt in the sight of God, and the earth was filled with violence.
12 God looked on the earth, and behold, it was corrupt.13 Then God said to Noah, "The end of all flesh has come before Me; for the earth is filled with violence because of them; and behold, I am about to destroy them with the earth. Genesis 6:10
13 (Some time passed) and Noah and Shem and Ham and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife and the three wives of his sons with them, entered the ark, Genesis 7:13
Then the Flood came upon the earth for forty days… Well – everything was destroyed by the Flood and only Noah was left, together with those that were with him in the ark. When the water was gone Shem, Ham and Japheth became the ancestors or 3 main races – Shem (the Eastern nations or Mongoloids), Ham (the Blacks) and Japheth (the Europeans).
I don’t claim the credibility of the story, nor do a propaganda of the Bible – but it really is the root of that race division.



I don’t see anything obscene about the word «OTHER». But any way racism is a great problem.
Probably the main point is the cultural differences between the nations. As for me – I consider there is no good or bad peoples or countries – there are just good & bad persons in any nation all over the world. & one more special thing – we tend to judge the other nations buy there politics, but politicians are almost the same the same everywhere – warmongering & sly.
playgirl
Dec. 11th, 2006 04:35 am (UTC)
Shem, Ham and Japheth
I am pretty much familiar with Shem, Ham and Japheth from Genesis 7:13.

I feel that most people throughout the world are basically good, no matter what race or nationality they may be.

As for the word OTHER, perhaps it would be better if they changed it to MIXED.

Thank you so much for this information and for helping me understand a little more than I did before. How amazingly interesting this 4 letter word "RACE" is!
sabrarosa
Dec. 11th, 2006 01:19 am (UTC)
Well according to the sociology prof I had in school, the three race thing is correct. What that means is that none of us is pure anything anymore. We are all a hybridization of the various human genotypes which means that the importance some of us place on such things is tenuous at best.
playgirl
Dec. 11th, 2006 01:51 am (UTC)
Then isn’t it about time
Then isn’t it about time they make some changes? And why is it necessary for us to answer the question of race?

I feel there are many of us who are just as confused by this race thing. I personally find it offensive when they have one of the options of OTHER, and I find I have to place a check mark on other, because I mentioned before, I’m neither WHITE, BLACK, or ASIAN.

Totally confusing!
Re: Then isn’t it about time - sabrarosa - Dec. 11th, 2006 01:55 am (UTC) - Expand
shadowy_poet
Dec. 11th, 2006 03:37 am (UTC)
Anthropologically the idea of race as most people think of it is a discredited concept. All humans are members of the same species. There are genetic variances in the human species that manifest in various ways, some of which are physical appearance. These physical differences are grouped into three main somatic types - Caucasoid, Mongoloid and Negroid, which many people still refer to as "races". These three main groups are then subdivided into many subgroups.

Many people who from appearance would be described as exclusively one of the three types actually have genetic markers from one or both of the other types as well. (Something like 95% of Europeans have some amount of Negroid genetic markers due to intermarriage at some point in the past) By the way, caucasoid is not synonymous with white despite what many people think. Many caucasoid groups (like those from the Mediterranean, India and the Middle East) would be referred to as brown by many people.

Your heritage would be mostly caucasoid since both Spanish and Lebanese are caucasoid groups. Mexican can be a mixed bag since Spanish is caucasoid and the indigenous Native Americans are in the mongoloid group, basically depends on how much indigenous ancestry you have. My nephew, who is one-quarter Mexican, had a mongolian spot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongolian_spot) when he was an infant.
playgirl
Dec. 11th, 2006 03:10 pm (UTC)
How funny you bring up the Mongolian spot
How funny you bring up the Mongolian spot. I’ve recently noticed that some babies have a big darkish spot around their buttocks, and wondered what it was. Now I understand why.

All three of my best friends are Mexican, but are so different in appearance. Lolly is tall, very fair with naturally blondish hair and brown eyes and a narrow nose. Glory is very fair with black hair and brown eyes, and has a narrow nose like Lolly’s. Norma is tall with light brown skin, dark eyes and her nose is a little wider. One thing they all share is that they are all extremely beautiful.

Thank you Dewayne! I barely starting to understand this thing called RACE! :o)
moon_shine
Dec. 11th, 2006 06:55 am (UTC)
Under which one of these three races would I fall? I think it was already said but I would say the human Race :o) you know no matter what ever race you call your self you still make my heart skip a beat! :o)

Did you know you do not have to fill that question out on a form if you do not want to. But if you are a minority it may help you.

Here is one did you know that Kansas just passed a law Banning Evolution? What next! and just how do you stop Evolution from happening any way?:o)lol

playgirl
Dec. 11th, 2006 03:30 pm (UTC)
Although I believe in science
Although I believe in science, I’ve chosen to believe in the biblical version of how we came to be. I do feel the Christian Fundamentalists in Kansas have gone too far, as usual, by banning evolution!

Hugs and kisses, dearest Pete! :o)
Re: Although I believe in science - moon_shine - Dec. 12th, 2006 06:20 am (UTC) - Expand
biglittlebro
Dec. 11th, 2006 07:01 am (UTC)
In Australia I don't think race or ethnicity is much of a problem as such, though forms may occasionally ask about that. Usually it is a case of determining whether a person is of Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander origins as they have certain benefits, or whether a person may require an interpeter for any official interaction. Contrary to the tales that are put about by some people with their own agendas of race, Australians really don't worry about the ethnicity of a person, as far as I have experienced.
playgirl
Dec. 11th, 2006 04:03 pm (UTC)
If a past life does exist,
If a past life does exist, I honest to God believe that I lived in Australia. I have never been to Australia, nor do I know much about the place, but just by looking at a picture, I can tell its Australia. I can almost smell it and I start getting this feeling of happiness and peace! FOR REAL!

The words ethnicity and nationality confuse me.

Seems to me, Australia has the right idea about race! :o)
donchep
Dec. 11th, 2006 07:20 am (UTC)
All of those nationalities are considered Caucasian with the exception of the Meso-American blood which can be considered Mongoloid from the landbridge migrations through Siberia many thousands of years ago.

Everything east of the Caucusus Mountains was considered Mongoloid , except for parts of south asia. East Indians for most part are considered Caucasian.
playgirl
Dec. 11th, 2006 03:55 pm (UTC)
I’ve heard and read that some races are
I’ve heard and read that some races are intellectually lesser to others.

Could you give me your opinion on this?

Why do you feel the word OTHER is on application forms? Wouldn't MIXED, or BI-RACIAL be better, since the majority of people are NOT a pure race anymore?

I, as well as my brothers chose from the very beginning to call ourselves Mexican, and we’re damn proud of it, because of our mother. We have also taken on its beautiful and rich culture, as well as the Spanish one.

I find this topic so incredibly interesting, but also so incredibly confusing. It just goes on and on, huh?!
Re: I’ve heard and read that some races are - donchep - Dec. 11th, 2006 06:43 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: I’ve heard and read that some races are - donchep - Dec. 11th, 2006 07:42 pm (UTC) - Expand
davev1968
Dec. 11th, 2006 01:59 pm (UTC)
Caucasoid, Mongoloid and Negroid

Those are the three basic genetic stocks of humans, you can think of them as super-races. In each of those super-races there are numerous sub-groupings or races. These sub-grouping will often be differentiated by cultural as well as physical features. Such grouping will form themselves into nations.

Take Asia for example. In Asia, there is Thailand, Vietnam, Laos, China, North & South Korea, and Japan. Each race of people have specific cultural features. The races are all Mongoloid, so they share many features, but because each culture has it's own idea of what "beautiful" is, they are expressed in different degrees resulting in subtle differences.

One can also see things like this in Europe. Caucasoids stretch over a large portion of the continent, but they are different races. Darker features in the south, lighter in the north is but one difference.

Often "Other" can mean multi-racial, or that one does not consider one's self apart of any of the listed races.

As I am Choctaw, French, Scottish, German, and possibly Cherokee and maybe a few other things, I am a mutt too. I tend to check off the Caucasian, or "White, non-hispanic" box.
playgirl
Dec. 11th, 2006 04:50 pm (UTC)
I personally find the sub-group with the most
I personally find the sub-group with the most diverse physical features is the Mexicans, and the Asians with more of the same physical features. Am I wrong to assume that the Arabs are the ones who might come closest to being of pure blood?

I’ve seen that box: "White, non-Hispanic", and I think it’s just so weird!
Perhaps they should start replacing the word OTHER on forms with the word MUTT, huh?!

Choctaw, French, Scottish, German, and possibly Cherokee

What an interesting mixture! If I had a choice in my next life, I’d come back as a German, and live in Canada. Don’t ask me why, but I do love the language, and they fascinate me! As for Canada, I think it’s among the most beautiful countries in the world. I also love the architect of their buildings!

All in all, I wouldn’t change any of my many nationalities for the world, and I don’t think you would either! :o)
a_phoenix
Dec. 11th, 2006 04:17 pm (UTC)
Sounds to me like you are "American". That is enough for me.

*hugs*
playgirl
Dec. 11th, 2006 04:27 pm (UTC)
And by the grace of God
And by the grace of God, we are AMERICANS, dear one!! :o)
Re: And by the grace of God - a_phoenix - Dec. 12th, 2006 12:30 am (UTC) - Expand
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