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Cost of Illegal Immigration

I live in a border city, and I see so many things that turn my stomach.

I have PERSONALLY seen this twice. I saw it yesterday when I went to Cd. Juarez, Mexico. I was in line to get back across to the U.S., when I saw this large group of people dash into the U.S. They ran every which way, which made it impossible for the Border Patrol to capture them.

The other day, I saw the Border Patrol in their jeep right across the Rio Grande, when about 8 guys ran across to the U.S., right in front of the jeep. Border Patrol must have called for help, because a couple of other Border Patrolmen were there in no time. They ran after the guys and caught one of them. When the illegals saw that they weren’t going to succeed, they ran back into Mexico.

What will happen to the illegal that was caught? Border Patrol will drive him to this far off place which I can’t recall the name, and drop him off.

There’s talk of taxing us further because the county hospital is running out of funds. I hate to imagine how many babies are born there that belongs to mothers who cross over the border just to have their babies here.

I have a friend, who has a degree in social work. The type of work this friend has lasts until the program is over, then this friend is left without a job, and has to wait for the next available job. This friend has worked since teenage hood.

This friend of mine DOES NOT have health insurance, but all those who are here illegally have it, plus they have housing, free food, school for their children, college grants where they don’t have to pay a penny because they qualify due to little money, and many more benefits.

You are not going to believe what I’m about to share with you. I found proof that this woman, who is getting every benefit from the government, has a man living with her and her kids. He is NOT supposed to be living there. I made a phone call and reported it. A woman from the department came to my house, along with the woman I had reported, and asked me in front of her if she had a man living with her!!!! Of course, I said NOOOOOO!!!! The man is an illegal and looks as evil as can be, and I’ll be damned if I’ll place myself in future danger because of the stupidity of that woman. I just can’t believe the stupidity of the woman who did this to me.

PLEASE! American Government! PLEASE! Find a way to stop illegals from entering this country! I CANNOT afford it anymore!!

My heart breaks for them, but my heart breaks even more when I find that I’m sinking lower and lower into poverty because my taxes keep going up, up, and UP!! And it makes me sick to my stomach that my friend, who is an American citizen and who worked hard for a degree, can’t afford to go to a doctor because this friend can’t afford it; yet, those illegals have the best medical care imaginable!!

Do you really believe a fence will keep them away? HELL NO! The only thing that will happen is that we will be taxed to death to build it, and it will be for NOTHING!



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Dec. 3rd, 2006 09:18 pm (UTC)
Sharpshooters would be cheaper. And lower the rate of illegals sneaking over the border. No fence. Just a few well-placed towers. And signs. LOTS of signs. The signs will say in multi-language: "If you're close enough to read this, you can be shot by that man in the tower training the rifle on you by continuing forward. We're shooting to kill. If you stay on your side of the border, you at least have that life to keep. The choice is yours. We have a lot of ammo, and these men are trigger happy. Thank you."

And there you have it. Maybe even pictures of men in towers shooting runners in simple icon form so that illiterates can grasp the concept.

At that point, the crossers know what they're in for, and make their own choices. The cost to catapult them back over the line has got to be much less than all of these walls and expensive help and everything going on. And it'll be effective, because once the immigrants see we're not kidding around, they really know that stuff's gotta get fixed at home, or they really do want to die the easy way.

Charity is charity, but when it's abused, it's time to up the ante and make a few examples to remember.

This will likely be an unpopular opinion. Let the complainers against it pay the taxes, then.
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The numbers are astronomical as to - playgirl - Dec. 3rd, 2006 11:00 pm (UTC) - Expand
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Dec. 3rd, 2006 10:41 pm (UTC)
You have no earthly idea what ABUSE
The continual influx of illegal aliens will continue forever. The illegals are being exploited by the rich companies that employee them.

Of course, the U.S. could make sure they wouldn't enter anymore, but it's just too profitable for those that rule this country!!

We, the poor jerks are the ones who are paying the bill! Our taxes will continue going sky high, there will continue to be fewer jobs available for us, we continue eating less and less fruits, and vegetables and have to eat from trash cans, and we'll never be able to afford medical health, and eventually, we will all die!!

You have no earthly idea what ABUSE is going on RIGHT now!

I'm so angry!!
Re: You have no earthly idea what ABUSE - photosexual - Dec. 4th, 2006 01:51 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: You have no earthly idea what ABUSE - playgirl - Dec. 4th, 2006 02:25 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: You have no earthly idea what ABUSE - photosexual - Dec. 4th, 2006 02:32 am (UTC) - Expand
Sharpshooters would be cheaper... - nebris - Dec. 3rd, 2006 11:33 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: Sharpshooters would be cheaper... - photosexual - Dec. 4th, 2006 01:49 am (UTC) - Expand
Thanks for your concern! - nebris - Dec. 4th, 2006 02:11 am (UTC) - Expand
Dec. 3rd, 2006 09:23 pm (UTC)
Actually, unless you have a social security number, you are not eligible for medical insurance through the state. I know because I have worked with both undocumented people and citizens in a healthcare capacity. It might be different in other states but in Texas, only citizens and legal residents are allowed to apply for Medicaid or Medicare with one exception. Women who are preganant do receive medical care during their pregnancy regardless of the status of their residency. A month after the baby is born, she is no longer leigible for Medicaid but her child will be since he or she is a citizen.
Dec. 3rd, 2006 09:28 pm (UTC)
Oh and while we're at it? How about also asking the government to stop giving tax breaks to the rich wne well to do and more breaks to the middle calss so that people like me can actually have a little money left over.

Here's another good diea. Let's stop throwing billions of dollars at a war that cannot be won and use that money to start funding the broken helathcare system for veterans. That might also help the issue.

If we're looking for wasteful spending, the first place we need to look is D.C., not the Border.
We, the working class that's trying - playgirl - Dec. 3rd, 2006 10:32 pm (UTC) - Expand
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Dec. 3rd, 2006 10:29 pm (UTC)
Littleone may I suggest that you call that womans supervisor, and file a formal complaint against her, She did WRONG big time and can loose her job for it. She is NOT supposed to tell WHO made the complaint in any way. That is a violation of federal laws. It would not surprise me to learn that the two of them knew each other and it was done like that to stop the report. You can also call your Congressman and file a report with them as well and allow it to converge from both ways.

You did right, but the caseworker was WRONG.
Dec. 3rd, 2006 11:31 pm (UTC)
Yes, a clear violation of Federal law.

Dec. 4th, 2006 12:19 am (UTC)
No Daddy, I'm just going to let it go, because
No Daddy, I'm just going to let it go, because I live alone with a helpless little old man and I just don't want any problems of retaliation, and that's what would happen. The guy’s an illegal. What’s to keep him from doing something evil to me and running back across the border? He’d never be caught.

They know where I live, and I'd be afraid they'd throw poison over my fence and poison my dogs and cats.

I just couldn't believe that the woman brought the woman I'd snitched on and ask me the question she did.
Dec. 3rd, 2006 11:29 pm (UTC)
1) Until Mexico undergoes true political and economic reform, this will continue.

2) Until our own economy ends its own dependence on undocumented workers, this will continue.

Dec. 3rd, 2006 11:39 pm (UTC)

Have you been reading my LJ, saborsita? I was sure you'd comment upon this one.

Dec. 4th, 2006 02:36 am (UTC)
Re: Off-Topic
I read it Sweety Pie, and I left a message. :o)
Dec. 4th, 2006 01:36 am (UTC)
Ok let's clear a few things up. I believe we need to stem the tide of illegal immigration. We all seem to agree that a major way is to stop those who are giving the jobs. I am not opposed to stopping illegal immigration by any reasonable means at all. But you said a few things that I know are not true.

"but ALL those who are here illegally have it, plus they have housing, free food, school for their children, college grants where they don’t have to pay a penny because they qualify due to little money, and many more benefits." ALL??? You know that isn't true and the numbers of people who do this are small and make up an insignificant part of the population.

As for your taxes going up as a result, that is also not true. Thre is no evidence of that in any tax legislation i have ever seen, in fact there is a study that will make you wake up and realize that solving the problem creates another problem if there isn't some kind of back up plan to remedy it.

Did you know all immigrants legal and illegal pay between 90 to 140 BILLION in state, federal and local taxes? And the social security administration has a file called a "suspense file' that has an extra 20 BILLION in it of money that can't be claimed because SSN don't match up with any names.

Of the smallest amount of tax payments (90 BILLION) by illegal immigrants the estimate is that only 5 BILLION is used for special services such as Medicaid, AFDC, Food stamps, etc. And overall the estimate is that tax revenues from these people is about 30 BILLION more than the money they take back. So these people for many years have put more into the system that WE allbenefit from than what they receive.

As for them sending their money home, the estimates also show that they consume here in the country they are living in at the tune of 132 BILLION a year. And one thing I can say about people from Mexico they buy more American cars per capita than we Americans do.

Alan Greenspan himself said 70% of these people arrive at prime working age. You know what that meas very few of them woul;d even take from us for education, etc.

Let's not add myths to the argument against illegal immigration. Most of it is hyperbole and histrionics that has it's roots in the racist rhetoric of the wrong kind of people on the side of immigration reform. I believe in immigration refoem but I won't buy all the hysteria from people who are trying to relive our age old history of "Yellow act", "no dogs or iriah allowed", and wonderful little thing in the 1920s called Operation Wetback.

There isn't a monolithic wave of leeches set out to drain all our resources. There is a problem and it's a simple problem. There are too many people coming in who counter those who come here through all the proper means.
It's about fairness and maintaining the laws of the land, not the unsubstantiated claims and falsehoods fabricated by politicains who love to bait us all with red herrings and ad hominem attacks against people who could never even hope to defend themselves. Such an easy target at a time when we needed bogeymen to focus on instead of this increasingly disastrous war.

Dec. 4th, 2006 02:15 am (UTC)
From what I’ve seen with my own eyes
Delete the word ALL and change it to the word MANY.

From what I’ve seen with my own eyes, is the fact that when I go to the grocery store, just about EVERYBODY pulls out their Lone Star Card. There are MANY illegals that ARE getting all the freebies.

Our COUNTY taxes are always going up, and will soon go up again, because the MANY who use the county hospital are illegals. The women cross the borders and head for the county hospital to have their baby there. The baby automatically becomes a citizen.

You'd be surprised at the amount of illegals that live in Mexico and go to our public schools.
How do they accomplish this? By having ONE family member who is a citizen. The illegals use that address as their address. You can see the cars coming for their children with Mexican driver’s plates.
These children qualify for free lunch. We the tax payers fork up the bill.

One woman has been living in housing for 10 years and she is an illegal. She doesn't have a social security and can't get her drivers license.

It is a fact that Social Security cards are being bought, or somehow used from people who have died.

NO! Not ALL illegals pay taxes. When they perform a job, they are paid in cash.

There’s this girl with two children, who is a Mexican citizen, who moved to California and she INSTANTLY received ALL the freebies available. Tell me, how did she do it? I have no idea how!! This is a fact!

Did you know that there are houses for rent for illegals, and the manner the landlord is paid is through cash only. Did you know that my city has become 99% Mexico and that MANY can’t read or speak English? All correspondence has to be written in both languages. When you go to some meeting, there has to be a translator there. This is ridiculous.
Re: From what I’ve seen with my own eyes - donchep - Dec. 4th, 2006 02:38 am (UTC) - Expand
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Dec. 4th, 2006 02:18 am (UTC)
Reference Librarians Rule!
It's so good to finally see some real stats to back up what I'm saying. Yes I know I could have looked them up to but I happen to know that you alrady have that info readily available.

It is also good to see soem reality and reasoned statements rather than the overly testosterone poisoned bullshit espoused by certain other folks here. Sharpshooters indeed. Can you imagine the ruckus that would be raised if someone started shooting our citizens for something like this? We'd be asking for a trial but the ICC and declaring war on that country.

Feh. I don't know why I bother reading things on LJ sometimes. There is so little intelligent life to be found.
Dec. 4th, 2006 02:45 am (UTC)

Hey Sunshine take a brake for 1 sec :o) I am just trying to lighten the mood a little =)
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Re: I dont think she had that in mind... - moon_shine - Dec. 4th, 2006 03:19 am (UTC) - Expand
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Re: I dont think she had that in mind... - moon_shine - Dec. 4th, 2006 09:26 pm (UTC) - Expand
Dec. 4th, 2006 03:30 am (UTC)
I'm ready for battle
OMG! That was so funny!!

Thank you Dear One! I really needed that!

Now, let me get back to the others, 'cuz I'm ready for battle again! heh heh
Re: I'm ready for battle - moon_shine - Dec. 4th, 2006 09:20 pm (UTC) - Expand
Dec. 4th, 2006 02:54 am (UTC)
Ummmmm...vote Republican and move further North?? Say....Minnesota?

Dec. 4th, 2006 05:47 am (UTC)
Minnesota and Canada
You're too late! The Democrats have already snatched me!

Minnesota must be beautiful. I never realized it was right next to Canada! I've never been to Canada, but for some unknown reason I love it. Perhaps I lived there in my past life. :o)

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Dec. 4th, 2006 03:15 am (UTC)
There are lots of ways to deal with international trespassers that could be quite inexpensive and permanent. However, the real problem is not with those sneaks, but rather with our social welfare system. Get rid of the laws which mandate allowing people without money or insurance into our hospitals, and get rid of all other social welfare spending (including tax-funded schools, subsidized housing and food, etc.), and get rid of automatic citizenship for "anchor babies," and the only immigrants will be productive people who only want opportunities to work. The more of those we get, the better.

I don't want to be taxed to feed, clothe, house or educate legal or illegal immigrants, or even the native born. Get rid of that social welfare magnet, and the problem will take care of itself.
Dec. 4th, 2006 03:53 am (UTC)
The elements and hunger
Yes, there are many ways to do away with this problem, but I get the feeling the government somehow wants certain people to depend on it.

The elements and hunger gives the initiative to go out and work.

For as long as the government rewards people for not working, there will be more and more people on welfare.

You take all the freebies away, and nobody is going to die of hunger. I'm sure there wasn't welfare in the past, so how come those people didn't die?

I don't mind helping, but when it becomes harder and harder to stretch a dollar because one must feed others who do not work, then that's the time I become increasingly angry.
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Dec. 4th, 2006 06:35 pm (UTC)
Hey you remeber that "suspense file" I had listed at 20 BILLION in stashed SSA unclaimed benefits. It's not 20 BILLION, it's 519 BILLION!!!!!


Still think your taxes would go up? Ask the government to tap that stash brought to you by those who can't and won't claim those benefits.
Dec. 4th, 2006 09:31 pm (UTC)
But the real Question here is how do we get that Money out where it can do some good
Dec. 4th, 2006 07:25 pm (UTC)
Most unfortunate situations. I too wish we could/would get the immigration issue controlled. Unfortunately, I don't think we can or will at this point in time.

It also looks like we should revise our criteria for citizenship....just being born here probably shouldn't be the only criteria.

*hugs* Hope everything else is going well for you.
Dec. 5th, 2006 12:28 am (UTC)
If these poor people are able to come across so easily, I hate to imagine how many terrorists are now in this country.

I was starting to worry about you, because I hadn't heard from you. I'm glad you're fine!
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