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Immigration Poll

Poll #875210 Illegal Entry Into the U.S.

Are you for building a fence that divides the U.S. - Mexican Border?

Yes
19(26.0%)
No
46(63.0%)
Do not care
8(11.0%)

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photosexual
Nov. 25th, 2006 09:12 pm (UTC)
The fence won't stop 'em. It'll just change the way they sneak in and how we react to it. The ultimate stopping power is when people stop hiring illegals or assisting them. Word will spread fast enough that things have to get fixed at home, and then the ball's in their court to get legal or change the reasons that failure is so rampant that illegal immigration seems attractive.

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photosexual
Nov. 25th, 2006 10:59 pm (UTC)
I agree with this, as long as the term 'guest worker' actually holds some control and regulation so the system is organized and standardized, and *effective*. So the guests are accountable for their visits and their work done. I'm all for helping people out, but not when they're taking advantage of a system or preying upon people to get one-up.

But more than that, the illegal immigrants have to have the trust and results that make the gates worthwhile. If it was implimented and working, there'd be no more need to sneak, and that'd be a good thing. Your vision is a good one, but I don't know if it'll ever happen. And that's what bugs me the most.
playgirl
Nov. 26th, 2006 02:48 am (UTC)
I do, too, but I don't believe it's possible.
playgirl
Nov. 26th, 2006 03:14 am (UTC)
I agree with you, a fence is not going to help at at all.

I feel people will always hire illegals, especially the very rich.
darkphoenixrisn
Nov. 25th, 2006 09:25 pm (UTC)
Better yet, build a fence between Washington DC and the rest of the country!
tapestry01
Nov. 25th, 2006 10:50 pm (UTC)
The only way to stop illegal immigration is for the government to enforce existing laws and go after the people that are hiring illegal immigrants: get rid of the bait, as it were.
playgirl
Nov. 26th, 2006 02:23 am (UTC)
I feel it will never happen. The rich won't permit it.
donchep
Nov. 26th, 2006 12:21 am (UTC)
You really do love to open up a can of worms in your LJ, don't you?:)

I won't even get into the fence thing, but I do think I have an idea that has to be considered.

The overflow of undocumented workers n the country does have to be stopped only because municipal infrastructures can't suport the extra population.
Sure, on the federal level they do put in more than they take out, even with money going across the border to family members. The amount going into entitlements that are uncollected do exceed anything that the undocumented workers receive. But that doesn't reflect on the state level where the proportion is just the reverse.
With severe fines and penalties to those who employ them the incentive will be gone on both levels, but the reason none of these laws are enforced is because rich "robber baron" agribusiness farmowners need the cheap labor and know that it doesn't behoove the state officials to remove this big chunk of state's most important commodity.
In california there are farmowners who are complaining that crops are rotting in the fields because of the politically timed crackdowns during this election season. Meaning that there is truth to the notion that no one else wants to do the work.
We need to do something, but we have to consider a guest worker program like the braceros of the 1940s. It's how my grandfather came over and got his green card allowing us to all become Americans after subsequent generations.
playgirl
Nov. 26th, 2006 02:15 am (UTC)
This can of worms is ...
This can of worms is only the appetizer! Heh heh

I have MUCH to express about this topic which is as complicated, problematic, and controversial as can be. I’ll be sharing my thoughts on the fence, too, and I’m sure I’ll be stepping on a few toes when I do, and losing some LJ friends, but it’s something I must get out of my system.

You are right about the fines and penalties never being enforced, and about crops rotting because nobody else wants to do the job. American citizens taking the job of the undocumented workers, I hate to imagine how much ONE orange would cost us. But then, I’m looking at other things which I’ll express in another post.
donchep
Nov. 27th, 2006 06:48 pm (UTC)
Re: This can of worms is ...
Lake County California the peach harvest is already unsalvageable and there are 2 million pounds rotting on the ground.
In Florida July's harvest is one of the worst yet, with scared workers not in the fields and the double whammy of post-Katrina disease striking the crop.
Even Schwarzenegger says the wall is just a political band-aid that's crazy without a plan for guest workers to be allowed to come into the country as a much needed labor force.
We're fighting war and realizing that we need to stop depending on foreign oil. Time to worry whether we'll be needing to import our food too if we let it all rot from the bad harvests.
nahele_101
Nov. 26th, 2006 01:03 am (UTC)
we should just fence of texas!

get rid of them (texans, that is!)
playgirl
Nov. 26th, 2006 02:24 am (UTC)
If Texas is fenced, then I'll be on the outside looking in!! :o(
nahele_101
Nov. 26th, 2006 04:28 am (UTC)
hmm...just move to california...its a better state.

california uber alles!
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playgirl
Nov. 26th, 2006 03:21 am (UTC)
Walls have never worked.
uglyface2
Nov. 26th, 2006 01:11 am (UTC)
A fence would be nice. We could put up a lovely wrought iron fence, and maybe run some ivy through it.

I'm also in favor of the detention camps you may have heard about. Captured illegals would be sent to these tent cities, held for a few months, and then sent back south. During those few months, they earn no wages, which means that money can not be sent back to Mexico. That means that there's a serious risk for those illegals who intend to break the law, as the whole idea for many of them is to provide for their families.
playgirl
Nov. 26th, 2006 03:20 am (UTC)
It's a sad situation for the illegals, and my heart goes out to SOME of them, but it's all gotten way out of hand.

I don't believe there will ever be a solution, because the government doesn't want a solution. The rich continue to grow richer, thanks to these undocumented workers.

As for the wall, it will be a very expensive joke.
uglyface2
Nov. 26th, 2006 03:52 am (UTC)
If you'd like to hear my most outlandish opinion... one that, frankly, sounds deranged...

I'd like to have the US take over Mexico.
nsingman
Nov. 26th, 2006 01:50 am (UTC)
A fence is too expensive and impractical. There are easier, cheaper ways to deal with those international trespassers.
playgirl
Nov. 26th, 2006 02:26 am (UTC)
I hate to even imagine how much that fence would cost the tax payers, only to have it eventually torn down.
moon_shine
Nov. 26th, 2006 07:31 am (UTC)
You know sunshine I just don't think the wall would work. any way and it would just be a big waist of time.
and I am Glad to see that you survived thanks giving too :o) {{HUGS}} sweetie!
shadowy_poet
Nov. 26th, 2006 08:32 am (UTC)
The wall will not work. Illegal immigration is a manifestation of systemic problems in several countries and the wall will do nothing to address any of those problems. At most it will create one more obstacle to be circumvented and a few more ways for illegal immigrants to die trying to cross the border.

People point to the wall near San Diego as proof that the proposed wall will work. The San Diego wall only works to the extent that it pushes the crossing points of many immigrants into the desert where there is no wall.

As an environmentalist, I am against the wall because it will disturb a lot of wildlife habitat and negatively impact a lot of animals. Animals do not recognize national borders and frequently cross them. The fence would prevent animal crossings and arbitrarily limit their access to resources they need to survive.
moon_shine3
Nov. 26th, 2006 07:38 pm (UTC)
Hey I have two journals so does that mean I can Vote twice :o) hahahahaaa...
just wanted to send you a big Kiss before they put the fence up around Texas, now I know that made you laugh ;)
hope your having a great day!
and for real I sent you a kiss just because I wanted too! =) Muuuhaaa!
playgirl
Nov. 26th, 2006 10:31 pm (UTC)
Alls fair in love, war, and voting! :o)

If they end up making that wall around Texas, you do know you'll have to find a way to get me out of there, right?!

Sending you lots of kisses, too, and because I feel like it!! Smmmmooooches!
moon_shine
Nov. 27th, 2006 06:53 am (UTC)

Well I Vote for Love not War! :o)
You can see I have already started to dig the tunnel and if that will not work then we still have our Hot air balloon :o)

You know sunshine I just love it when ever you feel like it!!! ;o) smmoochesssss
playgirl
Nov. 26th, 2006 10:32 pm (UTC)
And yes, dearest, I do read always!
moon_shine
Nov. 27th, 2006 07:07 am (UTC)
;o)
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