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Would you call this police brutality??!!!

UCLA Student Tasered by UCLA Police for not showing ID




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adameros
Nov. 16th, 2006 08:37 pm (UTC)
I'd like to hear the back story on this.

Every night at 11pm the police come through asking for id to make sure only students are there late.

Did this guy refuse to show his? Was he asked to leave, and he refused? If he forgot his, did he ask the police to just verify that his name is on record as a student?

Tazering seems extreme, very extreme, but the video doesn't cover what caused the issue.
playgirl
Nov. 16th, 2006 08:48 pm (UTC)
I see many policemen there
I see many policemen there. I do not see their lives in danger.

No matter what the reason, there was no need for tasing him.
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stevie_stever
Nov. 16th, 2006 08:40 pm (UTC)
Well...
A perfect evaluation with that video can't be made. At almost no time were either the authorities in question nor the suspect they sought in direct line of sight of the camera.

But going by what I know...

There are two authorities at the suspect's side at any time when the camera is pointed. There are at least three other authorities standing around. Five men would be plenty enough to bring in one suspect whether he resisted arrest/detention or not. And he could be restrained without the need for a taser.
Second, tasers are meant for neutralizing a suspect, not for getting him to stand. In fact, tasers can and do directly inhibit a target's ability to stand, because they deliver low amp/high voltage charges that overwhelm muscle control, so telling the suspect repeatedly to stand up and tasering him when he refuses is frankly a form of torture. Since there are enough authorities present to overwhelm the suspect and bring him in, this is excessive force. The suspect is already restrained by two men in the video, and if there were any arms on his person, they have been removed. Hitting him with the taser after capture is not acceptable treatment by any authority figure. Period.
If the suspect wishes to make a case for police brutality, there actually -is- one, despite the poor quality of the video.
stevie_stever
Nov. 16th, 2006 08:44 pm (UTC)
Re: Well...
And this is in reference only to the first video. Watching the second now.
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bakapooh
Nov. 16th, 2006 08:41 pm (UTC)
Yes it is.
playgirl
Nov. 16th, 2006 08:48 pm (UTC)
I say YES, also!
sabrarosa
Nov. 16th, 2006 08:43 pm (UTC)
Considering how frequently I've seen police carry protestors away bodily, I have a hard time believing that these guys can justify using a taser on a guy repeatedly just because he wouldn't stand up. That is just ridiculous.
playgirl
Nov. 16th, 2006 08:57 pm (UTC)
How can it be possible
How can it be possible, for these policemen to hurt this guy, who is in school, and who poses no threat what so ever, be brutalized in this manner?!

This video has literally taken my breath away with disgust!
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msirub
Nov. 16th, 2006 09:21 pm (UTC)
he wasn't threatening them. most cops are just assholes with a power trip.
playgirl
Nov. 16th, 2006 09:29 pm (UTC)
No he wasn't
No he wasn't, and what I find most frightening of all, they they will get away with it.

There are many policemen who are there to protect us, but there are some who thugs who shouldn't have any authority what-so-ever! And God protect us from those!
davev1968
Nov. 16th, 2006 09:30 pm (UTC)

There is an LA Times article about it.

Please remember you are only seeing maybe half of what happened. During the beginning you can't really hear anything and you can't see anything. And even with that, the video started after the confrontation with the police started.

What upsets me is that this could all have been avoided if the induhvidual involved had simply followed the posted rules. If he didn't have his ID, all he had to do was go home and get it. No fuss and no muss.

Instead, he refused to leave for about 30 minutes and then tried to leave once the police arrived. Having had first hand experience in this kind of situation, I know for a fact that the police will not just let you leave once they show up. They will want to talk to you.

What I believe happened is that he tried to leave and the cops wouldn't let him because they wanted to question him and possibly see if the staff wanted to swear out a trespass warrant against him. Rather than submit to this, he tried to leave and that is when things got heated. I think it is at this point the video starts up.

One thing to remember, the taser in question was being used not in taser mode, which disables one, but rather in drive mode, which gives a shock but does not disable. It is used to get people to follow directions. Whether or not it should have been used is debatable.

Personally, I put the blame squarely on the induhvidual and not the officers. He had multiple chances to comply and refused to do so.


playgirl
Nov. 16th, 2006 09:49 pm (UTC)
To possibly kill someone over an ID confrontation?!
I found this link 167 cases of death following stun-gun use

from [info]t0yb0x

The situation did NOT pose a life threatening situation to anyone there, much less those MANY policemen. I find it disgusting that they could have possibly KILLED that guy, and over a damn ID!!
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kmilligan
Nov. 16th, 2006 09:35 pm (UTC)
2nd Video
In the second video it looks like she attempted to assault one of the officers. He mentioned "You took a swing at him", in which case tasering her was justifiable and not police brutality. She was billigerent and refusing to comply with lawful instructions, then assaulted one of the officers, so using reasonable force to bring her into custody is not unwarranted. It would be safer for both her and the officers to use the taser than to drag her out of the car while fighting her, and wrestle her to the ground.

What else could they have done in this situation?
playgirl
Nov. 16th, 2006 10:34 pm (UTC)
Re: 2nd Video
I sure didn't see her taking a swing. Of course he's wrestling her down to the ground. How could she do it on her own, when she's in agonizing pain from being lased? And look at him afterwards, when he realizes he's got the camera on him.

I find his action to be brutal with that poor woman!
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donchep
Nov. 16th, 2006 09:55 pm (UTC)
I can't say toomuch about the first one. It looks excessive to me, but I want to know what the original complaint was that led to the police there in the first place. I work at a University Library, and I am the contact person at times for Security or campus Police. And they don't just get called for minor things. I would like to know why there were there.
On a totally irrelevant note, was that guy a total crybaby wuss or what? My grandmother got her head bashed in by The Kern County Sheriff with billyclubs during the Delano Grape Strikes of 68 when she marched with Chavez and she didn't act like this little weenie. :)
On the other video if she took a swing at him after he made his instructions clear to her, she was lucky he only had his taser gun out. And she was definitely lucky she wasn't in New York where you can get shot 42 times for only showing the police your wallet.
donchep
Nov. 16th, 2006 09:58 pm (UTC)
Damn, that almost made me sound like I enjoyed that.

Heh, actually I don't like acts of unecessary brutality. But this guy was going for the academy of award of histrionics witht that display of how oppressed he was in the police state of UCLA.

Westwood is not Tianenman Square.
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i_stareatyou
Nov. 16th, 2006 10:40 pm (UTC)
Bah.

I'm a school teacher in rough schools and have had to restrain kids plenty of times. I would say the taser was over the top, though the dude was pretty damn dramatic about it. He knew damn well he had an audience.

People here have suggested that they should have simply removed him. Problem is, there is nothing simple about removing a grown adult who doesn't want to go. That could have easily resulted in a dislocated joint. If you've never tried it, you wouldn't know.

Also as a teacher, I regularly have to remind my kids "DON'T ARGUE WITH POLICE OFFICERS". It's not worth it. Yes, sometimes police support unfair institutions and rules. But make your political point in some other way. A police officer is either some poor sap doing his job out of commitment or someone who felt relatively powerless out of uniform who is now power tripping a little. In either instance they don't take well to getting messed with - especially when they have had violence done to them once or twice - and they're armed and allowed to use force.

That kid was an idiot.

playgirl
Nov. 16th, 2006 10:49 pm (UTC)
police brutality!!
And thank God he had an audience! I'd hate to imagine what more they would had done to torture him!

You are right in teaching your students not to argue with cops. If they do argue, they could end up shot to death!!!

Don't get me wrong, I am grateful that we have policemen to protect us, but it is a fact that there are some who are looking for any TINY excuse to beat the shit out of someone!

I MUST label the actions of those policemen a police brutality!!
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neo_prodigy
Nov. 16th, 2006 10:41 pm (UTC)
was this excessive force
yes it was but both people brought it on themselves so i can't exactly feel sorry for them.

as a person of color, i will be the first to tell you that police brutality has been an issue in this country for far too long, but like racial profiling, it gets ignored because it primarily only happens to minorities. it sickens me what happened to amadou diallo, as well as the guy who got sodomized while in police country. what's also a travesty is that the asshole guliani (who allowed nypd cops to literally get away with murder) is still a free man. the crap that happened with rodney king was all kinds of wrong, no matter what you think of the man, he still has rights. you want to know how out of control police brutality is? several years ago, back in nashville, two cops pulled over a black drug dealer and brutally assaulted him with no just cause whatsoever. well turns out that black drug dealer was an undercover police officer working a case. black, white, ultimately it's about blue. i expect cops to live and work at a very high standard. they chose the job to serve and protect, and if we can't trust them, then who can we trust?

however, not every case is excessive force.

i've had to deal with police officers throughout my lifetime. most of them were kind, hardworking men and women who were trying to make this society a little bit safer and a few of them were assholes on a power trip who should've never gotten a badge and should be behind bars their damn selves. but for the most part, most cops are reasonable.

that being said, i think people need to realize who they're dealing with. they're cops, they carry a badge and a gun which means they can shoot your ass and get away with it. if you get pulled over by a police officer or in a situation where law enforcement is called, you need to keep a cool head when dealing with cops. remember, they put their lives on the line everyday and they don't know if you're an ordinary citizen or a potential psycho. it's not always about right and wrong, it's about wrong and smart. is it wrong for cops to racially profile someone? yes. is it smart for that someone to go mouthing off to a cop? no. is it wrong for a cop to give someone a ticket, even if they weren't speeding? sure. is it smart to be uncooperative, irate and to give the cops an excuse to use excessive force? no.

if a cop pulls you over or questions you or whatever, you tell the truth, you do as you're told and you do not mouth off to them. if by some chance you get an asshole officer who crosses the life, then you report his ass to internal affairs and file a class action lawsuit.

1. video number one: as one of your other readers accurately pointed out, we couldn't see what was going on so we can't really say one way or the other. however, that student was being uncooperative and screaming at the officers not to touch him. if the cops tried to escort him out and he resisted (in the initial incident) then yes they had a right to taser him. now. after the student was subdued and handcuffed, the police officers had no right to zap him again because they weren't in danger and yes they should be brought up on violations, but that student was no saint. if the cops were questioning him or harassing him about his id, he should've done as they asked and file a complaint later. but he acted a damn fool and gave the cops an excuse to zap him.

2. video number two: this woman was all attitude and she was talking crazy to the cop before he could even say anything. turns out she has a broken tail light, a cracked windshield, and a suspended license, and was doing 20 over the limit. she may have gotten off with a ticket but she was talking so much shit. then the cops repeatedly told her to get off the phone but no, her ass stays on the phone. should they have zapped her? no. they should've tried to handcuff her first and if she resisted, then do what needs to be done. should the cops be brought up on violations? sure. but that woman wasn't a saint either and she had no business on the road.

again, i do believe both cases were excessive uses of the taser but these people brought it on themselves. thank you for sharing this. like i said, i'll definitely be addressing this on my lj very soon.
playgirl
Nov. 17th, 2006 12:55 am (UTC)
Re: was this excessive force
You have brought out so many excellent points!

There was a time when I felt police were my friend, but I honest to God do not feel the same way anymore, and in fact, I'm very much afraid of them now. I've seen to many facts of police brutality.

I realize that most police officers are there to perform their duties, as best they can, but I know there are those who would kill you for blinking one time too many.

There's no way of differentiating either.

There are times to react in a violent manner, and there are times when it's not necessary, and in the first video, I feel chose violence when it was absolutely not necessary!

This is exactly the way I feel now. Should I ever be pulled over by a policeman for a traffic violation, I'm going to be praying to God for his protection. And you know something; this is NOT the reaction I'm supposed to feel.

The day I watched the Rodney King video for the first time, that's the day I started fearing the police!
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moon_shine3
Nov. 16th, 2006 11:07 pm (UTC)
((HUGS)) Savanah lets just go take that balloon ride what do you say ;O)
sending a Kiss *Wink Wink*
playgirl
Nov. 17th, 2006 12:39 am (UTC)
Only
Only if you promise to take me to a world where there's no violence! :o)
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ninjaguydan
Nov. 17th, 2006 01:03 am (UTC)
I call it comedy, and it appears now the pigs are treating the regular white folks the same aggressive way they've occupied all the ghettos...it's probably the steroids...

-)
playgirl
Nov. 17th, 2006 06:33 pm (UTC)
Mostafa Tabatabainejad
ninjagudan, with a name like Mostafa Tabatabainejad, I think he was most probably a minority.
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playgirl
Nov. 17th, 2006 08:43 pm (UTC)
The video has upset me to no end. :o(
daddy
Nov. 17th, 2006 01:57 am (UTC)
well I am speaking from a personal point of view only knowing what I see on this video. as others have said what happened before this is unclear, but the fact that I was a cop at one time many many years ago does play into my feelings.

First the student is on state property and is under the autrhority of the campus police. The students know thin from the very first day, a lot of times these students are educated well beyond their level of understanding or intelligence and think they know everything.

Saying that, the two officers ahould have done at the very beginning what they did at the end.
Cuff him and drag him out. If the other stidents made a scdene then reinforcements could be called in just as it appears they did.

I have been hit by a taser, and as has already been mentioned your muscles could be momentarily unable to function, if it is on high power. On lowpower it hurts like bloody hell but only for a short time. This was definately overkill on the kid though.

You dont argue with a snot-nosed kid, or a verbally abusive driver. The kid could have been marched or drug out without him being shocked. The Driver was a valid call if they thought she was swinging at the officer.

In both cases if they had OBEYED the officers the tasers would have never come into play. The subjects made it worse on themselves.

But these are just my feelings...
playgirl
Nov. 17th, 2006 08:31 pm (UTC)
They created more havoc than the student himself
I've given it more thought because this video continues to upset the hell out of me.

When they saw that the situation was useless, because they were dealing with someone who was NOT going to leave, they should have called for assistance.

If I'm not mistaken, I believe I counted at least 4 cops. Are they such wet noodles that they couldn't have just grabbed him by the armpits and escorted him out?

They created more havoc than the student himself. I'm positive that all those who had to bear witness to the torture they educed the student, will forever be traumatized. There are many people who have never witnessed violence as I saw in this video.

Whatever! Those police behaved more like the Gestapo than police. I'm glad it was caught on tape, because had it not; nobody would have believed what happened possible. Not in the U.S.A.

And what is so FRIGHTENING about this happening is that those assholes are going to get away with it. They ALWAYS do!!

There are many police officers who are out there to do their jobs with compassion, and if need be, they must resort to violent tactics to save their lives, and this is as it should be! But, there are also some who abuse their power, and behave like the Gestapo. I’ve seen way too many of this kind, who abuse their power and are NOT suppose to be policemen! God only knows to what extent, and how many times, police brutality has occurred, and none of us know about it. There are just some people who given an ounce of power (this goes for any line of work where an ounce of power is given, in any line of work) and it goes to their head and they believe they are on some kind of throne. How frightening that this type of person should become President of the U.S. someday!! I’ve seen too many videos of police brutality.

I am much more upset, and frightened today, than I was yesterday.

Don’t get me wrong. I am so thankful that we have police officers to protect us if need be! It’s those who are looking for any little excuse to be brutal, that frighten me!!

It’s a sad day in hell, when one has to worry if one will be shot to death or not, when stopped for a simple traffic violation. What if he thinks I’m reaching for a weapon, when I’m only reaching for my proof of insurance, or driver’s license?!!

Thank you for sharing your feelings! :o)
p0stmdrnpr1mt1v
Nov. 17th, 2006 03:29 am (UTC)
the pigs need to have the shit beat out of em.
playgirl
Nov. 17th, 2006 06:36 pm (UTC)
I know they could have handled the situation
I know they could have handled the situation without violence. There were enough of them where they could have grabbed him from under the guy's armpits, and escorted him out. There was no need to tase him one time, much less the 5 times I believe I counted.
sir_brettley
Nov. 17th, 2006 04:26 am (UTC)
The first one: probably. Not enough information to say for sure, though 3+ cops should be enough to remove anyone who is refusing to obey an order to leave. Tasering them and asking them to stand up is just stupid. Tasering someone almost always drops them to the ground.

In the second video the woman practically begged to get tasered. I bet she speaks with a little more respect to someone who pulls her over again. Once a police officer has decided to give you a ticket the place to fight it is in court, not with the police officer.
playgirl
Nov. 17th, 2006 06:43 pm (UTC)
After looking at the 2nd video
After looking at the 2nd video, time and time again, I tend to agree with you that she was not cooperating. But I still believe it wasn't necessary to tase her.

I honestly believe tasing and shooting a pistol, should be used when the officer finds himself in a potentially life threatening situation.

After viewing the first video many more times, I’m still very upset, and I still feel it was police brutality.
harfafnor
Nov. 17th, 2006 04:46 am (UTC)
I have to question the before actions as well. I mean come on people, in this day and time? You never know what someone is on, if the my have Aids or some other disease that could be transmitted through a bite or a scratch, hell for all we know he could have been there to blow up the place, had explosives in his shoes. The police here can't know any of that either. Excessive? If the guy had just cooporated then he wouldn't have gotten tasered at all. Like was said, Do what the officers tell you. Later sue their asses off and move to a tropical island and live fat for the rest of your life.
playgirl
Nov. 17th, 2006 07:15 pm (UTC)
Aids? Explosives in shoes?
I really appreciate you expressing your views about this.

With all due respect, I must express my own personal thoughts to this video.

Aids? Explosives in shoes? I believe when a policeman becomes that paranoid, then it's time for him to quit the business.

God only know what altitude and tone of voice the officer used with the student, to set him off in such a way.

How terrifying it would be, to be stopped for a traffic violation, and find you don't have your car insurance or drivers license with you, and the policeman decides to use violence on you because he's terrified you're shoes are lined with explosives, or refuses to touch you because you could possibly have AIDS!

What those 4 or 5 cops should have done, is called for help, or just picked up the student by his armpits and escorted him outside or to jail.

Just because they are policemen, doesn't mean always use common sense. There are better, and more honorable policemen than there are bad ones. These were bad ones who felt no qualms about torturing the guy. By what I saw and heard in this video, I call it police brutality, as the students who were there in person, begging them to STOP, and who witnessed it would, also.

He was tased 5 times. It’s a miracle he didn’t die!
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tanyastory
Nov. 17th, 2006 04:52 am (UTC)
Hi there,
My name is Tanya, and I found your journal... well, mostly by browsing communities and interests. :)
Anyhow, if you can go over to my journal, I am asking a silly question that I would like to get people's opinions on. Feel free to leave a reply, anonymous if you wish. Thanks. I am sorry if this message comes unwelcome.
-tanya
ps: that video's messed up.
uglyface2
Nov. 17th, 2006 03:58 pm (UTC)
Didn't bother with #2. The first one, though.

Let's give the officers the benefit of the doubt. Suppose, for just a moment, that at first the subject posed a threat. Use the taser, he's down.

Sometimes, a subject will be able to resist the first shock (it's not unheard of). Use the taser a second time.

From then on, I can't justify the officer's actions. The guy obviously isn't one to handle taser shocks effectively, and after the second shock, they should have cuffed, arrested, and dragged the guy out (do they ever bother to arrest or even cuff the guy in the vid?). This was a misuse of the taser, and it makes competent police officers look bad. Worse, it makes them less willing to use the taser when it's actually called for.
playgirl
Nov. 17th, 2006 07:00 pm (UTC)
I sure didn't feel the student
I sure didn't feel the student posed a threat to the cops in any way, and I'm sure the students who actually there, watching the violence, feel the same way.

Apparently, the guy didn't have his ID with him, and also, what bed side manners did the cop use in order to get the student to the state he did? Let’s face it; there are some people of authority who can't handle it, because it goes literally to their head.

All I hear and see is what the students there did, and it was a scene of violence.

Yes, the cops definitely look VERY bad in this video. To tase someone is done because the officers feel their lives are in danger. It is most apparent this was not the case here, in this university library! This type of behavior must be brought to the people’s attention, because uncalled brutality, no matter if you're a cop, or a housewife, is unacceptable, here in the good old U.S.A.!

Thank God this happened among many students! Can you imagine how much more torture the student would have endured, if nobody had been watching?!!
see_dog
Nov. 17th, 2006 06:03 pm (UTC)
Ohhh Savannah Savannah Savannah LOL. Still obsessed with this stuff are we? :) Well let's take a look at the facts shall wel. For starters we can't see everything that has happenned in these video's. The lady was being annoying in the second video. Based on what she said she didn't deserve to be taserred. Then again I could not see what she was doing while in the vehicle. As far as the college student goes. All I could hear was him screaming out that he was being hurt. Now I don't know what this student was doing. But I'm not going to automatically assume his innocence. Why? Because I couldn't see enough of what was going on. In my opinion that college video is not strong enough factual evidence to prove that he was doing nothing wrong. I think too much is assumed when watching this video's. A good detective knows that your worst enemy is being presumtious. And that everyone is a suspect.
playgirl
Nov. 17th, 2006 08:42 pm (UTC)
Whatever the student was doing,
Aye, Sea Doggy! Today is another day, and I'm more upset about the video than I was yesterday!

Whatever the student was doing, there was no cause to be tortured as he was. He had no weapons, he wasn't throwing punches, and all he did was refuse to leave. There is absolutely no excuse for him to be tased at all, much less 4 or 5 times, while he's lying down on the floor.

There were some students screaming at the police to STOP!! They were asked by some for their badge numbers.

What I saw and heard in that video tells me that one student was being repeatedly tortured by 4 or 5 men!

The 5 wet noodles should have grabbed him by the shoulders and taken him outside. Plain and simple!

It tears me apart to hear the student screaming with such agonizing pain! And all for what? Just because he forgot his ID at home!!


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asifallforever
Nov. 18th, 2006 02:27 am (UTC)
Did you ever find out why he wouldn't show id? I am curious as to why it was such a big deal.
playgirl
Nov. 20th, 2006 02:08 pm (UTC)
I'm not sure, but it seems he had forgotten his ID at home.

I also believe I read somewhere that he's gotten a lawyer. I'm glad!
dragynphly
Nov. 18th, 2006 06:00 am (UTC)
Absolutely was not brutality in either case. In both videos the suspect was combative and resisting arrest. In the case of the UCLA one, that could have turned really ugly on the officers really quick. They had to assess the situation, and I think they responded accordingly. The taser isn't half as bad as being sprayed with OCCS(a combination pepper spray/tear gas which is pretty commonly what officers carry for pepper spray). The officers in both situations could have gone for either the OCCS or the taser, and I think the taser is a much more merciful way of controlling a combative suspect. The UCLA incedent was escalated way past being tased for not showing id. He was tased for resisting arrest and being combative.
playgirl
Nov. 20th, 2006 02:16 pm (UTC)
I still feel this was police brutality.

I've been surfing some sites on police brutality, and have found some stuff that has chilled me to the bones.

I realize there are more good cops than bad ones. I feel these were the bad ones, who went beyond the call of torture, in a situation where they continuously tased a handcuffed man.

I'll soon be posting stuff about the bad cops, and the good ones also. It is crucial we become aware that there are bad ones, also.
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playgirl
Nov. 20th, 2006 02:07 pm (UTC)
Why not?
nishar
Nov. 25th, 2006 12:17 am (UTC)
Not sure what the rules for use of force are in Cali. But I know what they are where I work. The guy was resisting arrest. But those cops had him cuffed and in control. So force wasn't needed to get him to a car. They just had to lift him and carry his dumb ass away. Three or four guys can do that easy. I have had to carry a guy like that before: with a few others helping me. So I don't see any excuss for all that tasering, but again I don't know what the acceptable use of force policy is over there. I personally would have just drag his dumb ass away or carried him off and if he bumped into anything that would be on him for refusing to walk.
nishar
Nov. 25th, 2006 12:23 am (UTC)
Oh yeah, for the second video, she was being stupid and not following lawful orders. So she got what she deserved. Those guys didn't do anything wrong by our use of force policy at all. Those guys were acting like I would have.
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