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PLAYGIRL'S OPINION ABOUT
THE THREAT OF NORTH KOREA




These two snapshots are of when I was stationed in South Korea
for a year. I'm wearing my Battle Dress Uniforms (BDU),
which will not be used by the soldiers anymore after this summer.
The Army Combat Uniform (ACU) have now replaced them.

MY OPINION ABOUT
THE THREAT OF NORTH KOREA


UPDATE - July 16, 2006: I smell the MILITARY DRAFT coming VERY soon!

In my honest opinion, North Korea has been a much bigger threat to the U.S. than Afghanistan, Iraq or Iran. When Clinton was president, the North Koreans promised to stop their nuclear research in return for the U.S. economic aid. But as anybody would expect, they continued their nuclear program until it could be hidden any longer. Also, North Korea does in fact have sophisticated (single & dual stage) missiles, and as we all just saw, they are working on a 3 stage missile, and just because this one failed (for whatever reason), they may work out the little bugs and have something that’s dependable working soon or they may not. Just remember that the U.S. has suffered rocket failure at lift-off as well as mid-flight. Other countries have suffered these failures, too. Sadly we have all seen how fast destructive technology progresses and is improved for sure.

The U.S. and other countries may threaten sanctions and isolation (which I believe are our only options) but I don’t think that this will have any effect at all, especially since I believe that China and Russia will continue having trade relations, how ever small they may be with North Korea.

I feel that the only possible options are:
1. Sanctions
2. Do nothing or
3. A conventional attack.

From these possible options, I DO NOT see any solutions to this scary mess. The third option would mean a war much uglier than we’ve seen in many years. Military support from other countries would be very desirable. The second option would bring us some peace for a little while and the first option would probably prolong that peace for just a tiny bit longer.

Some of the comments by those who were so nice to take the time to express them, in my last post, suggested nuking them. But I really believe that this will not happen since the U.S. and other nuclear nations have agreed not to use nuclear weapons and that these weapons are to be kept as avoidance against a nuclear attack from another nuclear nation.

I honestly believe that North Korea is of the utmost danger to the U.S. (MUCH MORE SO than Afghanistan, Iraq or Iran), and to the entire world! I believe North Korea has just begun!

Both North Korea AND South Korea DO NOT want us there! While I was stationed in South Korea, they made this fact as obvious as could be!

If you would like to express your thoughts again on this topic, PLEASE DO so. I MAY OR MANY NOT comment.



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jake_durango
Jul. 10th, 2006 11:03 pm (UTC)
I agree with you in that North Korea has always been more of a threat than Iraq or Afghanistan ever would be. Honestly, these are pretty scary times. I've forever told people to watch the news for things coming out of NK. I am afraid of what may come as a result of all this. I read today that Japan is considering amending their constitution to allow a pre-emptive strike on NK missile bases. When the Japanese go that far, you know things are going bad.

I just don't know what to make of it all. I just hope that cooler heads prevail.
playgirl
Jul. 15th, 2006 09:33 pm (UTC)
jake_durango, you and I are so right on this one!
marc17
Jul. 10th, 2006 11:09 pm (UTC)
ACU - ick. Pockets with velcro, way to preserve noise discipline in the field.

North Korea - Yep, they're probably have a greater potential for causing really bad trouble. Personally, I think China would step in with "advisors" if NK started to get out of line. China likes the peace and prosperity that everybody is enjoying (except for the N Koreans due to their "military first" policies) and while not willing to let us step in, I think they'd be willing to do so. most likely, it will just be a waiting game till Kim is dead. Then, I think it will collapse, and we'll probably see another German unification all over again. Trouble is that North Korea is even worse off for such a transaction than East Germany was. Of corse, till that time, who knows what will happen because Kim is crazy and unrealistic.
playgirl
Jul. 11th, 2006 02:47 am (UTC)
Personally, I think China would step in with "advisors" if North Korea started to get out of line.

North Korea has been out of line for quite some time now, firing a missile over Japan and now threatening nuclear war while working on ICBM and nuclear technology. If we sit back and do nothing, at some point, we will be facing a seriously dangerous threat. Today, I read that both China and Russia are against any North Korean sections. And sure as hell, Kim threatened all out countermeasures if sanctions are imposed. Now imagine this guy with ICBMs fitted with nuclear warheads?
marc17
Jul. 11th, 2006 04:51 pm (UTC)
Well, NK is out of line accordig to our thinking, to the Chinese or Russia, they haven't even caused any damage to property or life so far, just a little saber rattling while one of our allies is invading Gaza and buzzing Syria. I suspect the way they figure it is that if they aren't calling for sanctions against our guys, then they probably see no reason for us to be able to call for them against theirs. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. We may think we're the only superpower, but we aren't and even if we were, we're not in a position to do anything or everything we want against everybody else's wishes.
poetpaladin
Jul. 10th, 2006 11:25 pm (UTC)
If South Korea doesn't want the U.S. there, they can kiss their country goodbye.
uglyface2
Jul. 11th, 2006 12:13 am (UTC)
I was under the impression that South Koreans were ok with having troops stationed in their country. Granted, it's not a happy thing that they celebrate every day with intense glee, but the idea of having support should North Korea ever decide to cross the DMZ seemed to appeal to them.

At least, that's the impression I get from Gordon Haddrell's message board. (Gordon, or "Gord", was the guy behind The Acts of Gord. He may or may not still have a link to his message board on the front page of that.)
playgirl
Jul. 11th, 2006 03:20 am (UTC)
No, the South Koreans are not okay with American troops in their country.

I have six parts to my one year life in South Korea here:


KOREA, PLAYGIRL, VOICE POST - PART ONE


I go into detail in one of the parts, when I got lost in Korea.
nsingman
Jul. 11th, 2006 12:17 am (UTC)
North Korea is a greater threat to the US than Afghanistan, Iraq or Iran. But that's like saying that a five year old child is a greater threat to me than a two year old. North Korea only threatens US soldiers because we're stupidly still basing soldiers there. South Korea is orders of magnitude wealthier than the slave pen on the northern half of the peninsula, and can easily afford to defend itself, as can Japan. Instead, the US is subsidizing their military budgets.

This is an Asian security problem, with which Asian nations are well-equipped to deal. The US should have no troops stationed there. To paraphrase Bismarck, the whole of Asia is not worth the bones of one American soldier. As for the North Koreans having nukes, so what? Many nations have nuclear weapons; saying that only a few may have them is the international equivalent of anti-gun legislation, which is something you and I both strenuously oppose.
playgirl
Jul. 15th, 2006 09:34 pm (UTC)
I really think North Korea is a grave danger, Sweety Pie!
nsingman
Jul. 16th, 2006 02:44 pm (UTC)
To the starving North Korean citizen-prisoners, certainly. But how, were our tripwire forces removed from the peninsula, would North Korea be a danger to the United States?
immortalita
Jul. 11th, 2006 12:45 am (UTC)
There are other options.

Covert actions. He is killable.
playgirl
Jul. 11th, 2006 02:44 am (UTC)
Covert operations seem to go smooth in Hollywood but do you remember Clinton withdrew U.S. forces from Somalia, which was an impoverished country in complete shambles. They have no police force and certainly no air force or navy. Yet somehow they managed to shoot down two helicopters in that mess. Remember that these are untrained or poorly trained fighters with obsolete equipment. The operation was a failure as well, neither the warlord nor his lieutenants were captured or killed if I remember reading correctly.

I really don’t think that a covert operation would be successful. North Korea is simply too well protected for anything like this to work. As far as that war monger (Kim) is concerned, I’d bet that he lives way deep underground in one of his hardened bunkers. I mean wouldn’t you if you were him?
kmilligan
Oct. 9th, 2006 11:31 pm (UTC)
You're right about this. It's not enough to just assassinate a leader, because one man alone doesn't wield much power. You have to smash the apparatus that is the source of his power, which is his army and secret police forces. The only way to neutralize Kim is a conventional invasion of North Korea, which the South is not going to support.

So we'll try sanctions for now, and they probably won't work. But they will probably slow down the nuclear program, which is at least something. I think the hope with North Korea is that his regime will collapse eventually, and some kind of arrangement can be made for reunification with the South.

Because of the shakiness of Kim's regime, and the relative strenth of South Korea in comparison, I have to disagree that they are a bigger threat than Iran. A significant threat to be sure, but the Iranians are geopolitical situation where they are far more capable of threatning vital US interests than North Korea is. North Korea is a big regional problem to be sure, and we have interests in that region, but to me the bigger threat presented by North Korea is that they might sell their technology and/or weapons to Iran.
moon_shine
Jul. 11th, 2006 01:46 am (UTC)
"China does not want anything bad to happen to North Korea."
you hit the nail on the head there and we all know that we will not
and do not wont to ever get in to a war with china for so many reasons.
and your also right "that North Korea is of the utmost danger to the U.S. (MUCH MORE SO than Afghanistan, Iraq or Iran)," but there is no oil there,
and we all know that we only fight wars so that a few companies can get richer! sad but true. and the truth they may even be getting there parts from US owned companies.
so what should we do about it? not what we are going to do about it that is for shore.
remember this always go where the money is and you will know the truth.
playgirl
Jul. 15th, 2006 09:35 pm (UTC)
Pete, how I wish we were wrong, but I think we are right.
moon_shine
Jul. 16th, 2006 05:34 am (UTC)
Ya! Savanah Maybe we should just run away to our Island and
just eat some lobsters drink some Margareta's and hold each other
until the rest of the world gets as smart as us!
now doesn't that sound like more fun :)
I do Love you Savanah!
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playgirl
Jul. 15th, 2006 09:37 pm (UTC)
Yes Sweety Pie, I really do believe, also, that North Korea is MOST dangerous! I think it is just about to hit the fan! I hope to God I'm wrong!
hajiomatic
Jul. 11th, 2006 03:26 am (UTC)
TRUTH
1) Ain't never gonna solve that NK issue.
a)BEST thing that can happen is his own generals get sick of him and over throw him
b)WORST case is there's a war:It will be SHORT and BRUTAL. It will make Iraq look tame by comparison.

2)BDU's UGLIFY women. If a woman looks good in BDU's she is an out-n-out hottie! SLPG looks GODD in BDU's. Nuff said!!
a) ACU's are HOT, rip out in the crotch ( hmmm...crotchless uniforms.. a new trend?) and remind me of pajamas!. But I DO like the pocket arrangement....
playgirl
Jul. 11th, 2006 05:30 am (UTC)
Re: TRUTH
Well, SLPG has been worried sick about you! Where have you been??

I see by your picture in the icon that Afghanistan isn't agreeing with you! I TOLD you to wear your sunglasses, AND sunscreen! Would you listen? NOOOO. Now just look at you!

So, BDU'S look good on SLPG, huh? heh heh

hajiomatic
Jul. 11th, 2006 06:04 am (UTC)
Re: TRUTH
HEY...keeping the world safe for democracy, web cam girls and internet spam takes TIME..I will disappear from time to time.
Ask me no questions and I'll tell no lies ;)
I'll remember the sun block next time..I have SENSITIVE skin.

Yes...BDU's are so you....black shiny boots...mmmmmm
playgirl
Jul. 12th, 2006 02:28 am (UTC)
Re: TRUTH
I am positive that whoever designed BDU's for women, was a woman hater!
nahele_101
Oct. 10th, 2006 02:41 am (UTC)
Re: TRUTH
yup...BDUs look good on PG!
inspectorjury
Jul. 11th, 2006 04:28 am (UTC)
I think you are spot on. I think that North Korea is a nation of paranoid skitzoids. But, I don't think North Korea will be stupid enough to attack the United States. First off China and Russia have too many economic ties with us and because of those would refuse to back Korea should Korea be the aggressor in the conflict. As for sanctions: Well I believe they will have very little effect not because of China and Russia's willingness to continue trade, but because North Koreans already are doing without almost all the comforts of society in order to support their oversized military. Simply put the people wouldn't even notice a difference.

Now let's talk about the picture of you on the couch. I love the way you blocked out your face. LOL You are the biggest tease. I should start saving all the pictures you release till I can make a composite of your face. Hey!! That's not a bad idea!! No wait, that has a hint of stalker in it and I'm no stalker. But, I'm nosey. LOL

Now, you've had a series of worried, angry, and sad posts. It's time for a happy one. Come on kiddo you can do this!!!! SMILE!!!
hajiomatic
Jul. 11th, 2006 04:57 am (UTC)
North Korea is a nation of ONE paranoid Schizo....Dear Leader Kim Jong Il.
REMEMBER: They are the MOST xenophobic( look it up...) nation on the planet.
They trade with virtually no one( so sanctions are irrelevant). The populace is brainwashed and get NO outside news (CNN?? HAH!) Satellite? Internet?? No way. Hell, if they want to travel from one place to another in the country they need a stack of paperwork.
Imagine trying to drive from where you live to visit SLPG and needing government approval to do it!!
LOVE the utilitarian Govt issue couch. Looks like the one in my barracks day room.
I had many a good nights drunk on that 2 seater.....

yobo seyo!!!
inspectorjury
Jul. 11th, 2006 09:13 pm (UTC)
I really hate to disagree with you, but.......... I don't believe for a minute that this one man can control the entire country without people of like mind to help him. Thus multiple schizoids. As for xenophobic (or fear of what is foreign) I didn't need to look it up. I believe you are right on target. I also agree that sanctions are so much Happy Horseshit. They won't work and the average North Korean won't even know they are in place. The entire country is used to doing without to support the military. Come to think of it this is a great example of conservative thinking. LOL Everything for a strong military.. Before anyone takes me to task for not supporting our military I do support it. I'm not sure what strength it has to be at to be effective. If the death penalty works (another conservative idea), then the idea of having only a small standing Army which would force us to use our Nukes to defend ourselves, should be the same thinking act as a deterrent to other countries who wish to challenge us on the world stage. We would go nuclear simply because we would have no other options. It would be smarter of the challenging country to back down rather than take the risk. I don't believe any of this stuff from "this is a great example of conservative thinking" but, it sure was fun to write down. LOL
playgirl
Jul. 11th, 2006 05:50 am (UTC)
I am a tease, aren't I!?

I'm really, really, REALLY going to try and behave, and you know what makes me very happy? Buggers!

I've had buggers on my mind lately, in a big bubbly way!
inspectorjury
Jul. 11th, 2006 09:15 pm (UTC)
American Buggers or British Buggers? Or are you just saying you want to be Buggered?
playgirl
Jul. 12th, 2006 02:32 am (UTC)
Let me see what I come up with, 'cause I've really had an obsession with buggers lately. Did you not say you wanted me to start posting about positive, happy, and thought provoking stuff?

Let me put my thinking cap on! :o)
inspectorjury
Jul. 12th, 2006 03:08 am (UTC)
Now you must remember that to be Buggered is to be thwarted in a plan. Or to have someone stop you from getting what you want.

I went to Webster's Dictionary On-line to make sure and here is their definitions of Buggered:

1 usually vulgar : to commit sodomy with
2 : DAMN
3 : to put into disorder : BUNGLE, BOTCH -- often used with up
a_phoenix
Jul. 11th, 2006 04:26 pm (UTC)
I fully agree with you that N. Korea is VERY dangerous. That is a big part of why I felt and still feel we must not act alone. I feel we must have world support or we definitely will not win.

A wild card is how much support China will provide. I understand China doesn't trust N. Korea either, but I don't think China will stand by idly if N. Korea is attacked.

Probably our best current avenue is to get China on our side and have them exert pressure on N. Korea to back down. Short of this, we will need support from the rest of the world.

I don't know if we currently have world-wide support right now, unless we are attacked.
playgirl
Jul. 15th, 2006 09:38 pm (UTC)
Have you been watching the news?

Absolutely! North Korea is of the utmost danger!
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en_no_gyoja
Oct. 9th, 2006 03:37 pm (UTC)
I agree with this assessment.
mindme
Oct. 10th, 2006 12:13 am (UTC)
part i
Nuking North Korea is a silly idea. The fall out would affect China, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan... I mean consider what Chernobyl did to Western Europe. This is, of course, part of the problem with North Korea getting nukes. It would be hard for the USA to respond in kind should North Korea ever take out, say, Seattle. Reducing North Korea to a sheet of glass would effectively destroy a couple major world economies.

Now, I think I have to give it to Kim Il Jong when he says if Saddam had a nuclear bomb he would have never been invaded. Bush has made his bed and now he has to sleep in it. This is the upshot of his actions. If mean Bush I's attack on Iraq started an arms race in Asia. These Chinese always assumed their millions of soldiers would make up for American technology. But then they saw a million man army fall in 6 days, at a cost of a couple hundred American lives. China has started on a huge modernization program.

South Koreans seem rather uninterested by the whole thing. When you ask South Koreans to draw their country, they draw the whole Korean peninsula. North and South. South Koreans learn Korea is one country. That little northern part is just some place like a big army base where people can't go. To me it's a bit like asking a Canadian or American to draw their nation and they draw all of North America. It's hard for us to grasp, but that's the state of mind.

So to South Koreans, the natural way of thinking is there is no way North Korea would attack or nuke South Korea. It's like saying America would nuke Alaska.

Further, there's a sense like when North and South reunite, South Korea will take charge of those nukes and then Japan can be finally made to respect Korea... To the average South Korean in the street, the USA and Japan and China are the real enemies. These people have a serious persecution complex.

I seem to recall Bush asking the president of Pakistan to not test a nuclear bomb and the president of Pakistan said something like "If the people thought we could test a bomb and I cancelled the test, they would storm the presidential palace and hang me."

You can't discount the Korean sense of persecution that weighs on their mind... their national pride coupled with their sense like they're mice on the world stage. They keep trying to roar. South Korea does it via hosting major world events, creating companies like Samsung. North Korea only has things like missiles and nukes to show the world it's got something bigger than a shriveled red gochu between its legs.

mindme
Oct. 10th, 2006 12:14 am (UTC)
Re: part ii
China has to walk an interesting path. For China, North Korea generally works to its advantage. When China's three major economic competitors (USA, South Korea, and Japan) all have military forces (and hence part of their GDP) tied down against a perceived North Korean threat, then it can't use those resources for economic expansion. A tank does no work after you build it. A subway car does.

On the other hand, North Korea can't get uppity. China wants to play on the world stage. If China can't seem to keep one starving, backward vassal state on its leash, how can it be trusted to handle things that affect the world economy and peace?

It would seem as late North Korea has embarrassed the Chinese a couple times. First China asked it not to test missiles. It went ahead. Now it tested nukes against their will. North Korea might find China is going to yank back the leash.

Of course China can't yank the leash too much, like cutting off food/energy aid. If North Korea collapsed, China would certainly have designs on large parts of the nation. China would consider itself best equipped to move into North Korea and bring stability. China is already trying to re-write history to show that large parts of North Korea were once part of a Chinese kingdom. But that circle isn't complete yet. And the Americans are still there.

See, South Korea would also see themselves in the role of protector. No one would have a problem if South Korea started moving north with its forces and no one would have a problem with China moving south with it's "aid" forces. Where each stops... With American forces on the peninsula, and say part of any aid/stabilization invasion, China wouldn't make any quick moves to start shooting.

The upshot, I've always felt, no matter how much South Koreans don't like the American GIs and feel emasculated by them, and no matter how much South Koreans can handle themselves against North Korea, China is still a threat to their dreams of reunification and American forces are needed.
nishar
Oct. 19th, 2006 06:30 pm (UTC)
I have been hearing some interesting things. I think China is going to reign in North Korea. Let's wait and see what happens.
playgirl
Oct. 23rd, 2006 02:12 am (UTC)
I think so too.
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