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Kim Jong Il North Korean Missile Issue


Kim Jong Il
North Korean Missile Issue





The U.S. has to take some kind of action against the North Korean missile issue.

I believe the mildest action might be for surrounding nations, such as Japan, South Korea, etc., to put restrictions on their trade, but I don't believe the North Koreans would care very much about that.

The second action might be for the U.S. to try and shoot down future ballistic missiles. If the Koreans should launch another one, and the U.S. is successful in shooting it down, I feel this would be a good thing because the world would see that the missile defense system works. But on the other hand, if it were to miss the missile, it discredits the missile defense system terribly and would be a monstrous embarrassment for the U.S.

The third option, and most provocative, might be to try and destroy the missile by attacking the launching area where the missile is at. But this would be a direct attack and cause for a war for sure. It would not affect the us, but it would be a horrible situation for our soldiers. All in all, I don't believe this 3rd option would be good, because China and Russia don't want the U.S. attacking North Korea.

I find this missile thing with North Korea, a most dangerous and complicated thing.


I read in the Book of Revelation 9 :16, and would like to know if the 200,000 horsemen will be the Chinese?

Is our world doomed? Am I right or wrong in making the assumptions I have just made? Could you please give me your thoughts about this North Korea missile issue?

Do you feel Kim Jong Il is a bit off mentally? VERY dangerous?




Playgirl's Kim Jong Il Quotes:
"No faction is better or worse than any other. All come
from the same mould; they are all products of capitalist
influence in the working class movement. And they are a
poison that destroys our Party and the working class
movement in Korea."
- Kim Jong Il

"We oppose the reactionary policies of the U.S. government
but we do not oppose the American people. We want to have
many good friends in the United States."
- Kim Jong Il

"Team America: World Police"
- Kim Jong Il

"I am sure you have seen for yourselves and
sensed how the Korean people feel towards
the United States here in our country."
- Kim Jong Il



Bellisima
Playgirl's Techno Music

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quepid
Jul. 8th, 2006 07:03 pm (UTC)
Answer: Because if you allow some tin-pot dictators enough room things can escalate into a world wide conflict.

Example: World War I & World War II.

An ounce of prevention can at times be worth a pound of cure.
buddave
Jul. 7th, 2006 11:36 pm (UTC)
Be careful what you say about him. He might eat all your 4 legged
friends. I'd hate to see that happen.
kmilligan
Jul. 8th, 2006 12:03 am (UTC)
At this point the best thing to do is to slap sanctions on them and wait for the inevitable collapse of the regime. The problem with any other action is that the North Koreans could do quite a lot of damage to South Korea before we'd be able to stop them. South Korea is understandably not eager to support any course of action that risks a full blown resumption of hostilities with the North.

If Kim's missiles keep blowing up 40 seconds into takeoff, I don't think we'll ever need to shoot one down. The basic problem the North Koreans are having is the same one every other third world missile program does: it's based on an early generation Soviet short range missile known as the SCUD. Various tinpot dictatorships have managed to add extra fuel and sections to this missile in order to give it longer range, but turning it into a credible IRBM or ICBM is a serious engineering feat that will require, for the most part, effectively the same engineering effort as designing a missile from scratch. Even if they managed to do it, the SCUD's guidance is inaccurate over its intended range. I would imagine it would make a completely ineffective ICBM or IRBM; they'd probably be lucky to actually hit a the city. Nonetheless, with nuclear weapons you don't need to be accurate.

North Korea claims to have the bomb, but they've never tested it, and without a test there's going to be a lot of reasonable doubt they have one that works. There are certain types of devices which can be built without testing, but unless North Korea has access to an existing, working design (which, in the days following the AQ Kahn network, isn't entirely unreasonable to assume), they probably don't have a functional device, much less a device that can be strapped onto a warhead and survive a ride on a rocket and then reentry.

Waiting Kim's regime out certainly isn't a good option, but it's probably a better option than war right now. What would be really helpful is if Russia and China would take the issue more seriously, but don't expect them to. It's actually beneficial to them to do nothing, since defending South Korea and Japan from North Korea eats up a significant chunk of our military resources (1 Army division (2ID in ROK), a Marine division (Okinawa, JP), four Air Force fighter wings, and one aircraft carrier battle group), and the possibility of action against NC by them can be used as a bargaining chip with the US in future negotiations. That's not to say China and Russia couldn't get worried real fast if the regime starts getting more loony, or if Japan's recent military buildup starts looking like more of a threat to China, but for now the status quo is fine by them.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents. It's a mad world out there, but I don't think we're doomed. I think Kim's regime will collapse under the weight of its own contradictions. Iran is the bigger threat. But it's important to remember, they will only have one or two poorly designed nuclear bombs at most. If they are stupid enough to use them, we have thousands of thermonuclear warheads that can be delivered to either North Korea or Iran in about 5-20 minutes. The real question I think facing western civilization is whether we can bring the third world into modernity; to modernize its cultural and political systems, before they manage to develop the weapons of modernity with none of the moral and civil institutions that preclude their actual use. If the answer is yes, everything will be fine. If the answer is no, we could lose a city or two, but once the nuclear genie is out of the bottle, it'll be over for them. We'd be a live, but it would be a tragedy nonetheless, and I'm not sure an already self-flagellating West would be able to live with the guilt.
manoman
Jul. 8th, 2006 12:07 am (UTC)
I think North Korea and Iran are looking for respect from other countries PLUS they know that if they drag things out, they get more goodies from the many other countries.

I think having the involvement of many major and minor powers in these things is wonderful and essential. Time for the world to take interest in these things and time for the USA to be more involved with other countries instead of this go-it-alone stuff.

Hell, it is certainly simple enough for a bunch of countries to get together and make it quite clear to Iran, Korea, or whoever that (1) if they ever fire nuclear weapons at another country, they will be edradicated and (2) that they have an equal responsibility to keep nuclear technology and materials out of the hands of terrorists.

My biggest concern is that our President is apt to go off half-cocked like he did in iraq and decide to take military action. Frankly, our president scares the shit out of me a lot more than North Korea and Iran.

uglyface2
Jul. 8th, 2006 12:09 am (UTC)
I seem to recall a bunch of halfwits screeching about how we attacked Iraq, but we didn't attack North Korea, and it wasn't faaaair. Fools don't get that different situations need to be handled in different ways, and unfortunately, this one is touchy.

Truthfully, China has us by the proverbial genitalia on this one. Some of the economic prosperity in the 90's came from outsourcing to foreign countries. China was one of them, and now they've got control of a huge chunk of manufacturing capabilities. Moreover, China holds a great deal of interest in the US Dollar. If they wanted to, they could easily divest themselves of that interest and send our currency into the toilet. I'm not an economist, so I don't know how to properly explain how that works. Suffice to say, it's real bad.

What does China have to do with anything? Well, I'm of the opinion that the North Korean government is really a puppet of the Chinese. The Chinese government hasn't changed recently. Just look at seventeen years ago with Tienneman square. Now realize that the people responsible for that are still in power, and that the only thing that's changed is their economic standing.

I don't know what to think anymore. North Korea is a powderkeg, and Kim Jong-Il is trying to light a match. Someone in the Chinese government is trying to stir something up, and we can't take decisive action without serious repercussions. Diplomacy is our only option, and it's an option that won't work.

That being said, I think the best thing we can do is continue multilateral talks with North Korea. The US going one-on-one with the Kim-odo Doofus will only give the puppet more credence.
kmilligan
Jul. 8th, 2006 02:23 am (UTC)
I'm not sure I'd agree with North Korea being a Chinese puppet. The Chinese are certainly the regime's best friend, but North Korea is more akin to the fat kid at lunch that no one wants to sit with. The Chinese aren't really stirring anything up, so much as the status quo is just fine in their eyes, so long as North Korea only remains a minor problem for them. They are more than willing to put up with North Korea stealing trains and causing minor problems along the border if it keeps the US military tied up.

China does not want a direct military confrontation with the US, however, since it would cost them everything they've built in the past 20 years. China may have us by the balls, but we also have them by it, and China needs us far more than we need it.
inspectorjury
Jul. 8th, 2006 12:24 am (UTC)
Oh God here we go again. Fear seems to be ruling this country. Some little nation does something and not very well at that and we are up in arms scared shitless that we will be attacked. That missile went to hell in a handbasket in the first few minutes of the launch and blew up over North Korea. We couldn't have shot it down, it wasn't up long enough. Then again had we tried we would have left the capital of South Korea in danger of a artillery barrage that could kill literally millions.

But, more important than that is that any country has the right to develop any weapons they wish as long as they do not use them to attack or threaten another nation. Our trying to be the world police has put us in great danger of becoming the world's dictator ourselves. We may not like what another country does but that doesn't mean that country doesn't have the right to do it. How would you feel if another country tried to tell us what to do? I use as an example France. France had the gall to disagree with our stance on the invasion of Iraq. The United States and it's people's reaction was to demean the french people, heckle the french government, and call french law unfair. This is how we acted to the country who gave us our Statue of Liberty. The one thing more than anything else that bothers me about the conservative movement is this tendency to believe that it is wrong for anyone to disagree. If you are not pro war you are anti American. Now that's just horse shit! I support our troops. I back them in their efforts. But I don't like war and never will. That doesn't make me anti-military nor anti-American. I love this country and military. I am just sorry that so many of our young men and women are in harm's way despite their desire to be there. That doesn't mean I'm not a patriot it means I care about the lives of our people in conflict.
ninjaguydan
Jul. 8th, 2006 01:23 am (UTC)
one crazy bastards assesment...
the only person Kim Jong Il is scaring with these little missle tests are the other north koreans...he's a tin horn dictator who likes to do a little sabre rattling to impress his base. First off you have to assume his missles work, if he's using russian technology then he's shit out of luck. thermo-Nuclear weapons require tons of money and research in order to make them work, and even then the technology is often obsolete by the time it's in production (kind of like how computers 10 years ago are slower then the ones today). Only two countries in the planet are capable of Making effective nukes and that is the united states and Israel. Anyone elses are either made in the USA (like India and Pakistan) or crappy defective russian models that are more likely to explode during launch than work. The difference beteween this potential korean war and the old one is that the Chinese (not really commies anymore, ever since they discovered that there was no cash in communism)are no longer backing Kim. If he does launch a nuclear attack, it would not be in china's interest to back them. in fact it may be the chinese who go in this time to take him out.

in conclusion, if Kim Jong Il is smart (which he is, the slippery lil weasel!) he'll just rattle along and be an isolated international anachronism like Fidel Castro. Everyone will strut proudly whipping their cocks out for the ruler but no real harm will come of this....until his regime falls and then we find out about all the horrors going on in NK, it'll make auschwitz look like a country fair.

-)
kmilligan
Jul. 8th, 2006 02:18 am (UTC)
Re: one crazy bastards assesment...
There's quite a lot of testing evidence to suggest that Russia, France and the UK have quite effective and reliable ICBMs, nuclear and thermonuclear weapons. Israel has never tested a nuclear weapon. No doubt they have working nukes (probably French designs), but there's more doubt there than for many other nuclear powers, Russia and China included.

Obsolete in nuclear weapons term is also very relative. You won't be having a very good day if someone drops an obsolete 2 megaton bomb on your city :)
ninjaguydan
Jul. 8th, 2006 03:00 am (UTC)
The best Nukes are made by GE!
drop all the defective bombs you want, it'll hit the ground and do no damage, or blow up and cause the idiots who launched them to have a massive radiation leak (think a mini-chernobyl)..people have very limited knowledge of these weapons and there are tight controls on who could have knowledge on them. It's not like you can do some online research and figure out how to make a nuke on your own...just enriching the uranium would take billions of dollars. Israel definately has them, many of the same scientists who work on our bombs also work on israels bomb, so you can put two and two together...besides, NK is a poor nation that can barely feeds its population, they're gonna need a hell of alot of money to get to where the US is in terms of Nukes. The US is the only ones who can make working bombs...they have the resources, the minds, and the will to use them (see Japan). Anybody else is just making noise
sexybunnie
Jul. 8th, 2006 03:14 am (UTC)
I've heard the N. Korea is about 10 years behind in effectively producing a nuclear warhead that could actually REACH the US.

Nonetheless, I agree with above entries: WTF, why DOES the US always have to be the one to invade or cause war with other countries?

And yes, Kim Jong Il is a bit...off. He definately knows what he's doing, though.

Do you think (personally) that is out to take over te world? What are your thoughts?
hajiomatic
Jul. 8th, 2006 03:21 am (UTC)
You know it sister.....
SLPG and I have both been to the ROK. Any conflict on the penninsula will result in MASSIVE amounts of bloodshed. Both for the NK's and the SK's. It is in no ones interest to start a war there. The US's, the Japanese, the Chinese, the ROK's even Kim Jon Il's. No one wins. It's lose lose lose all the way around.
NK is a hermit kingdom. They trade with NOBODY!! They have almost no arable land and very few resources. They have a token trade with China. And even CHINA doesn't like KJI!!!
NK acts like a spoiled child in line at the grocery store. Every time KJI makes a demand the West seeks a compromise.
The only ratonal response is to get rid of KJI!!!
Send him to an island in the South Pacific with a harem of Russian hookers, infect him with a virus and watch him pass away.....
edbook
Jul. 8th, 2006 06:00 am (UTC)
a kinder gentler nation would set the example to disarm instead of warmonger and dictate who can and who can't have nuclear weapons. The US, the biggest offender in nuclear weapons development, should be putting the most effort into setting the example, not dictating what others should do.

Peace., it takes an effort.
quepid
Jul. 8th, 2006 07:21 pm (UTC)
Trying to be a kinder and gentler nation would be comparable to kissing the school bully in hopes they will cease their daily beatings.

The best way for America to stay safe is to present a strong military force. If American becomes a kinder and gentler nation we will be equated by many other governments as weak and ripe for the picking.

America sits on fertile soil, vast deposits of minerals, and other vital resources. Any country would be blessed to have the assets that America has. We are thus a prize that quite a few other nations would not mind possessing. To keep our nation ours requires vigilance, and a formidable arsenal. Any presentation of weakness would most likely result in us having even more wars to defend ourselves from invaders bent on conquest.
edbook
Jul. 8th, 2006 11:25 pm (UTC)
kissing the school bully doesn't work unless you try it.

Yes, Anerica needs to be vigilant and strong but in my opinion, it has gone way beyond vigilance to meddling and has an arsenal capable of killing all higher life forms on the planet. You shouldn't shit where you sleep.

Peace, yes, it does take work... but wise work not bullying
moon_shine2
Jul. 8th, 2006 08:13 am (UTC)
I just wonted to let you know I was thinking of you :)
lordremo
Jul. 8th, 2006 09:37 am (UTC)
My three suggestions for resonding with North Korea
1. Have the White House draft a letter to Mr. Il imploring him to please try and launch missiles that will stay up long enough for us to ATTEMPT practicing shooting them down. Throwing ground balls won't impress anyone and gives the impression they are a 3rd rate coultry. Not that they ARE that well off.

2. Construct a video showing all of the missile launches with background music from a three Stooges short. Show it repeatedly at the U.N.. Don't complain about the action, just use it as comic relief. See if it will entice Michael Moore to go to N. Korea to film a doc on how the poor little dictator is being shamed by Naughty US Devils. When the koreans get one look at his bloated carcass, they will realize WE have all the food, ad defect en masse.

3. Let US test a dud missle, send it to North Korea and perfectly land it in the parking space in front of his palace with the message "Just give us a reason to create a huge parking lot for South Korea."


Oh, and "kiss-kiss" cuz I luvs ya!
poetpaladin
Jul. 8th, 2006 01:26 pm (UTC)
Too bad we're wasting so much troops and money on Iraq - which had no nuclear weapons - when North Korean citizens would welcome us because they've been experiencing starvation and death and public executions while watching their South Korean relatives and neighbors experience prosperity and riches.

The war in Iraq is expected to cost 1.7 trillion dollars now. We've already spent over 600 billion. Imagine what 600 billion could have done if spent on our country's infrastructure, education, health care, border, etc.
uglyface2
Jul. 8th, 2006 06:55 pm (UTC)
There's no guarantee that the citizens of North Korea would welcome us. They're subjected to propoganda and a media blackout of the outside world. A lot of them think Kim Jong-Il is the best thing that's ever happened to them.

That doesn't make them bad people, mind, it just makes them ill-informed.
poetpaladin
Jul. 8th, 2006 08:37 pm (UTC)
Trust me, this is one of those countries where everyone is suffering and even the Communists know they live under a farce. As opposed to Iraq.

They also don't have a religious fanaticism.
edbook
Jul. 8th, 2006 11:38 pm (UTC)
they have a fanaticism where there is so much misinformation about their leader that is about the same as religious fanaticism. They are told and believe that their leader was born on a mountain top and ordained by God to rule them. They believe that he is so gifted as to have written 1500 books when he was in college. They believe that the first time he played golf, he shot 38 under par. They believe that when there is a sunny warm day, it was because their leader said it would be so... They are not allowed to meet with people that they don't know and aren't allowed to invite strangers into their homes. They are kept in such a strong grip that they don't know anything other than what they are told. The problem isn't only their leader but also that the people will need to be reeducated.


Peace
edbook
Jul. 8th, 2006 11:32 pm (UTC)
the North Korean people are not only starved but also brainwashed to think that the US intends to invade them and kill them. From what their leaders tell them and from the actions the US has taken in many other places in the world they understandably feel that way.

600 billion... just think what offering some of that money for improving life for those in not only our country but in those we're making enemies. War and killing machines seem to be more profitable to those whose greed blinds them and those they misinform and brainwash. Our country is being run by those now whose only interest is the bottom line as they see it without regard for human life.

Peace
nebris
Jul. 9th, 2006 01:01 pm (UTC)
Pat Buchanan's take..which I think is on the money
http://nebris.livejournal.com/1414224.html

~M~

...and Pat sure ain't no leftist..lol
davev1968
Jul. 10th, 2006 01:19 am (UTC)
Personally, I think we should nuke them from orbit.

Revelations is an allogoric story about Rome.

Of course our world is doomed. In few billion years, the Sun will swell up into a red giant and swallow the Earth.

Kim Jung Il is a fucking wacko. He makes the Jacksons look a touch ecentric. Come to think of it, I think we should nuke Kim Jung Il.

This is why I think we need a mass driver on the moon and guided rocks. See "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" by Robert A. Heinlein for details.
a_phoenix
Jul. 10th, 2006 06:03 pm (UTC)
My thoughts are:

The world needs to take action against N. Korea, not just the US. We should not take unilateral action.

Will the other countries uphold their responsibilities? I don't know. There were too many countries playing games concerning Iraq a few years ago so we took almost unilateral action. I don't think we can nor should again.

I honestly think Kim Jong is VERY dangerous. Is he off mentally, I don't know. But he IS VERY dangerous.
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